Has plug and play solar now been passed, I see adverts?

[martygturner]

this has got bizarre, all thats missing is bsi changing sockets to be bi-directional...

 

[ericmark]

this has got bizarre, all thats missing is bsi changing sockets to be bi-directional...

Bi-directional sockets already made, and two-way transfer already permitted, with a plug and play portable battery pack, more commonly called and EV.

So yes you make a good point, and I can't think of a reason why you can't plug in solar panels and battery into the same socket. I will wait and see the answers given?

 

[SUNRAY]

View attachment 414405 Bi-directional sockets already made, and two-way transfer already permitted, with a plug and play portable battery pack, more commonly called and EV.

So yes you make a good point, and I can't think of a reason why you can't plug in solar panels and battery into the same socket. I will wait and see the answers given?

To use the terms of another: Non compliant junk as they are not shuttered

 

[ericmark]

To use the terms of another: Non compliant junk as they are not shuttered

I had assumed the two small pins tell the EV charging point when to turn on power? Are you saying all EV charging points are non-compliant?

 

[SUNRAY]

I had assumed the two small pins tell the EV charging point when to turn on power? Are you saying all EV charging points are non-compliant?

We have repeated had comments on here that CEEform sockets are not permitted in domestic situations as they are not shuttered, even those with interlocked switches or other mechanisms. I dont see EV connectors are any different. In fact having worked on several I'll go further and say they appear to be identical construction. I'll leave others to argue why one is compliant but the other is not.

 

[ericmark]

What has a CEEform socket got to do with an EV charging socket? But I do see your point, the 16 amp CEEform socket is the standard socket for caravans and boats, so caravans are domestic so how can they not be permitted?

 

[JohnW2]

What has a CEEform socket got to do with an EV charging socket?

The fact that unshuttered sockets are not allowed (by BS7671) in domestic installations.

But I do see your point, the 16 amp CEEform socket is the standard socket for caravans and boats, so caravans are domestic so how can they not be permitted?

You would have to direct that question at someone other than me

 

[ericmark]

The fact that unshuttered sockets are not allowed (by BS7671) in domestic installations.

Just does not make any sense. Every caravan site I have gone to with hookup have the CEEform blue 16 amp sockets, the old BS7671:2008 required 16 amps, so 13 amp is not an option, may as well say 13 amp are not allowed, as it simply does not make sense.

 

[JohnW2]

Just does not make any sense.

Judging by how these things usually are, It's not necessarily meant to make any sense

Every caravan site I have gone to with hookup have the CEEform blue 16 amp sockets, the old BS7671:2008 required 16 amps, so 13 amp is not an option, may as well say 13 amp are not allowed, as it simply does not make sense.

That's presumably 'external' to the caravan. What about inside the caravan - are unshuttered sockets theoretically allowed there?

 

[flameport]

BS1363-1

 

[JohnW2]

BS1363-1

View attachment 414452

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[flameport]

Every caravan site I have gone to with hookup have the CEEform blue 16 amp sockets,

Caravan sites are not domestic dwellings, they are a commercial site and are supposed to be inspected and controlled by those who have some idea of what they are doing..
Reality may be different.

Just does not make any sense.

It's a 200 regulation, of the applies only to the UK because of special reasons type.
They are not supposed to make sense. They just exist mainly because of historical fearmongering, manufactuer influences and general ignorance.

 

[SUNRAY]

BS1363-1

View attachment 414452

Thanks and something I'd expect to be stated and not rely on common sense.
I take it that is taken from BS1363

Does it also state not to be used as an inlet to portable kit?
As an example: at school our home made blueprint copier had a socket mounted on the device and a 13A widowmaker used to power it.