help me wire this please

[JohnW2]

I would add that I prefer at least two poser circuits and two lighting circuits as a minimum built in redundancy.

I don't think many people would (should!) argue with that - "eggs in one basket" is rarely a very clever idea, in any context

 

[SUNRAY]

I would add that I prefer at least two poser circuits and two lighting circuits as a minimum built in redundancy.
I recently rented a property near Thurso on the North coast of Scotland and that had one ring final and one lighting circuit. Also the one main switch was an RCD,
Luckily no problems encountered

I would have made it two each power and lighting RCBOs minimum with a radial ignition for the gas heated hot water

One 3 storey house I looked at with a view to purchasing had 3 fuses (for power and lights on each floor). I didn't look much further.

 

[ebee]

One 3 storey house I looked at with a view to purchasing had 3 fuses (for power and lights on each floor). I didn't look much further.

Not each to a seperate consumer unit/switchfuse per floor then and therefore further split down into separate circuits?

 

[JohnW2]

One 3 storey house I looked at with a view to purchasing had 3 fuses (for power and lights on each floor). I didn't look much further.

One can but presume that it was a house which had an ancient electrical installation and very much 'needed a complete re-wire'.

However, if I were otherwise keen to buy the house, that, in itself, would not put me off, provided that the price I would have to pay took into account what was going to be the cost of the re-wire.

 

[EFLImpudence]

One 3 storey house I looked at with a view to purchasing had 3 fuses (for power and lights on each floor). I didn't look much further.

That could mean it was just what he was looking for.

 

[JohnW2]

That could mean it was just what he was looking for.

It was a bit ambiguous but I suspect that's not what he meant

 

[Scally-Ho]

I would add that I prefer at least two poser circuits and two lighting circuits as a minimum built in redundancy.
I recently rented a property near Thurso on the North coast of Scotland and that had one ring final and one lighting circuit. Also the one main switch was an RCD,
Luckily no problems encountered

I would have made it two each power and lighting RCBOs minimum with a radial ignition for the gas heated hot water

It has been stated that the heating and hot water is via a 7kw electric job. No gas mentioned, so just a presumed 32amp radial?

 

[ebee]

It has been stated that the heating and hot water is via a 7kw electric job. No gas mentioned, so just a presumed 32amp radial?

I was referring to the house I rented in near Thurso having just one power and one lighting circuit and one front end RCD as having almost no redundancy in circuits hierarchy, obviously the week link in traditional systems is the suppliers cutout and what is supplying it and alternative supplies via renewables or such as battery storage can add some value to that equation these days more than previously available in the past.

Indeed if you happen to live near a good body of water such as a lake or loch or tarn or a massive pond with a good head of water you might even be able to use that water to turn a turbine to get your electric supply from.
20 or more years ago (might be 40 or more come to think of it) a few of us stayed the weekend at a farm near Malham , Yorkshire, this farm property had no grid connection so a tractor ran a generator when they need electric.

There was a cheaper alternative though, free electric via water, it was an experiment run by a university.

There farmer was taking a once in a lifetime weeks holiday (many farmers have 34/7/52 working lives and never are miles away from home) and a friendly couple were babysitting the farm for him, they invited us and our youngest son for the weekend, only about an hours drive from our home in a nice countryside environment.
Doing without much electrics except previously charged car batteries then when darkness fell firing up the tractor generator was the usual way of life.
However they had this new fangled experiment to try out for the university.

My pal who was babysitting the farm didn’t have much electrical knowledge and all he could tell me was you use this D type battery (cell) and these two bits of wire and touch them onto two strip connector terminals for a while then the electrics come on.

Luckily he had a telephone number for the university prof running the experiment.
I rang him for Clarity.
Apparently, the battery need be connected to a turbine rotor to give it a bit of residual energy for a few seconds then removed and the turbine stator supplied energy for electrics and kept the rotor happy too.
As there was always a head of water and always running it was free electrics.

I had three or four attempts and the got the free electrics on , yippee.
It lasted about an hour and we couldn’t get it to restart for the rest of the weekend.
When my friend returned home a week later I asked him if they resolved it.
Apparently, for the first time in local living memory of the locals, the tarn had dried up due to the rare dry weather recently.

It certainly was interesting though.

I do wonder if some in the Lakes, Dales and Highlands have their own local free electrics contraptions these days

I suppose that if you had such a thing and solar panels and a wind turbine and a tidal source of head ( a massive heavy cylinder raising and lowering twice each in an approx 26 hours cycle could produce a steady supply ) then you’d never need the grid and would be pretty resilient .

 

[morqthana]

I saw footage on TV once from somewhere where there was a war going on, and they'd rigged up a generator to the rear axle removed from a vehicle and dangled into the river.

 

[ebee]

That could mean it was just what he was looking for.

Yes indeed it could do. We sometimes jump to conclusions and sometimes right and sometimes wrong, i feel that We might more often misconstrue the written word more than the spoken word at times.

 

[JohnW2]

Yes indeed it could do. We sometimes jump to conclusions and sometimes right and sometimes wrong,

Indeed. Such is life. However,in this case, I doubt that the intended meaning was as EFLI suggested.

i feel that We might more often misconstrue the written word more than the spoken word at times.

I'm not so sure about that. The spoken word can often be misunderstood, misconstrued, incorrectly interpreted or imperfectly remembered - which is why, in my day jobs, I have always preferred written to spoken communication!

 

[ebee]

Indeed. Such is life. However,in this case, I doubt that the intended meaning was as EFLI suggested.

I'm not so sure about that. The spoken word can often be misunderstood, misconstrued, incorrectly interpreted or imperfectly remembered - which is why, in my day jobs, I have always preferred written to spoken communication!

Perhaps so, it varies twixt one and tother methinks, however in my personal experience I reckon the written word has just a little but marked chance of being misunderstood when having gen conversations such as social media for example.
It suppose that it does depend on the context .

A properly worded instruction/manual/explanation of something can sometimes give a clearer picture yet at other times could be considered. I think it depends upon a few factors at that point in time.
The helpfull thing about the written word though is you have a chance to reread it and decide exactly what was and what was not actually said and just now and again another chance of a differing interpretation wheras with the spoken word an emphasis adds a little more clarity.

I do not think that there is a one size fits all answer each time or even in the majority of times with each individual person either.

I can think of a few supporting examples of either where one has triumphed over the other yet once again the opposite effect can be noted.

I suppose it stems from the fact that we are not robots essentially, it can actually deoend upon who said it rather tgan what was said , sometimes !

 

[SUNRAY]

Somehow this thread has passed me by.

It was (still is) a very old terraced house and the vendor was proudly showing me all the DIY he'd done. This would have been mid to late 70's and the property would have been around £7 to 8K and very much stretching my budget. The entirety of the electrics was a T&E from the unsealed meter above the front door to the middle of the house feeding a 3way (I think Wylex) mounted on the back of a stair riser, he explained it was there for easy access when fuses blow. It was all surface mounted and wired with long droops between clips.

His BIY skills were excellent, everything he pointed out was botched in an excellent way including his cellar. The property is one of these

and on a steep slope with the back garden level being close to middle floor window cill level with 3 floors at the front and only the two top floors at the rear with stairs (very steep and narrow) running side to side. The massive thing that put me off was he had knocked a hole through the wall (shown brown) and dug out the soil part way to create an extra room with the bottom of the rear footings atop the unretained sloping soil surface:

I'm not sure but I don't recall going as far as the topfloor before I beat a hasty retreat.

 

[morqthana]

I reckon the written word has just a little but marked chance of being misunderstood when having gen conversations such as social media for example.

On social media you have to consider the willingness of those reading to understand what's been written.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Apparently, for the first time in local living memory of the locals, the tarn had dried up due to the rare dry weather recently.

Malham Tarn - I swam commando in that, in my youth.