Help with kitchen rewire and heating costs estimate pls

[Rojomateus]

Hi all, Just looking a rough steer on costs pls..... in Northern Ireland btw....

So installing a new kitchen .... some of the sockets are in roughly the correct place so do not require moving but further along the same wall I may add sockets. I am installing a quooker tap so not sure what wiring this requires (ie if it is just a socket?) However need a fused socket for the oven in a different place.... Also adding a peninsula and at the end of it the wall there is no current electrical sockets anywhere near here so this will require chasing (I presume) and prob would like a double socket x 2 there. The same island will require wiring for an induction hob. Above the peninsula I will be installing an extractor fan so will require the wiring for this .... it is designed to fit between the joists the electrician will be doing the work to take this outside - tubing etc. Currently at one end of the kitchen there is a pendant light..... this will be replaced by 6 spotlights/downlighters..... The other end of the kitchen has a pendant light which might require moving slightly to a different position to be above a table. The main light switch for the kitchen requires to be moved slightly along the wall and the emersion heater switch needs moved.... probably to the other side of the wall in which it is currently located..... (It is on the kitchen wall and behind it is the utility room where the switch could go. There is a current time unit for the heating system which is being replaced by some form of a unit which links to an app. In the utility room there is already power supply for the washing machine but this may need moved. There are various switches which need removed/made safe such as the old double oven switch as they are no longer required.

The kitchen ceiling is currently down.

There is a new pressurised water system being put into the house so any and all wiring connected to this and the heating is also being completed.... not sure exactly what is involved in this.
The electrician will be supplying all materials (basic white fittings for sockets) except for the extractor fan which I will supply.
What sort of a quote might I expect for this work..... just looking a ball park as I have no idea at all .... Many thanks
PS photo of the way the electrician likes to do some of the work

 

[Murdochcat]

My crystal ball isn’t working so my advice to you is get eyes on site as they are far better than random internet advice

 

[Rojomateus]

My crystal ball isn’t working so my advice to you is get eyes on site as they are far better than random internet advice

That is why I am asking for a ball park........ I dont know whether to expect £300 or £50000.... (obviously totally rediculous figures but just to make my point) .... hoping someone can give me something in a range that is allows me to set some sort of realistic expectation.......

 

[jj4091]

It's ususally advised to get 3 estimates before starting a job. That seems to be getting increasingly difficult these days but who ever is doing the job should give you one.

 

[ebee]

Well there is often said a "supposedly" sort of scientific approach to comparing prices of such things (I am not favouring above any other way).

Get, say, 10 estimates.
Discard the most expensive and the least expensive.
From the remainder get an average.
from that average lookk first at those within plus or minus 10% and then consider which contractor you have most faith in.

Alternatively you could look a recommendations, if you have some trader (in any field) you might ask them to recommend someone they use or you might say ask a local council officer who they prefer for their own jobs.

I have mentioned many times that folk sometimes ask me in passing "What`s the price of an average house rewire these days?" my reply is "About the same as an average price of a second hand car!"

Of course I often get told that is a stupid answer. I then retort "Well you asked a stuid question" .
How long is a piece of string?

 

[Rojomateus]

I really do appreciate I am asking a hard question..... I have one quote of £1800. I have tried and tried to get others to come and give me a quote but I live in a rural area and I have had numerous cancellations plus people who have come and looked and then not even bothered to quote.... I'm just frustrated...... Other trades have given me a day rate price then an invoice for the materials which I much prefer.

 

[ericmark]

I had the same, mothers house was getting dangerous, so needed an urgent rewire. So we looked at want we wanted, but the estimate did not break down how much for TV, LAN, per socket, main house or garage, and was far too high, so next estimate was bare-bones rewire, so although two estimates, still could not compare them.

The kitchen already rewired, and wiring for wet room also new, only lights in the kitchen needed doing, I agreed I would do all the re-plastering and sockets in rooms would be back to back. All sockets to be from the ring final, so I could add spurs latter if required. Some walls would have no sockets, as the re-papering would be too much work.

The aim was so the house was good enough to rent out if mother went into a home to off-set the cost of her living in a home. But no frills. I can't remember what I paid, but it was less than a ¼ of the first quote, but the work done was also a lot less, OK this was for the whole house, your only doing a kitchen, but the same applies.

So question one is what is a new kitchen? May sound daft, but my son decided the kitchen was too small, so he moved the rooms around, and his new kitchen started with bare walls, with only one socket in the room, so corner to corner from the consumer unit (replaces what was a fuse box) so 4 x 2.5mm² 2 x 6mm² pulled across the house, this means floor boards up to do the job, and moving furniture in the rooms where the cables will run under the floor, this is without any work in the kitchen its self.

But when my wife refers to a new kitchen, in this house, the wiring into the room is already there, it's not really a new kitchen it is just new units in an existing kitchen, and there will be some work redirecting cables, but in the main this will be within voids in the kitchen furniture, so the cost for the electrics in this house, is mainly down to a kitchen being classed as a special room, under Welsh law, and the work needing registering with the local authority, same work in England would be cheaper.

I have only worked once in Ulster, and it was not domestic, it was in Harland Wolff, so I have no idea of the rules and regulations to work on domestic there, but to try to give even a ballpark figure, not a clue what it would be, as no idea what is required without viewing the job.

 

[jj4091]

Been retired for a long time now but £1800 is around the figure I might expect for what seems like quite a lot of work. As I said in my first post it is getting difficult to get quotes especially in rural areas, I'm stuggling to get quotes foe a new boiler.
Just make sure your quote accuratly includes all the work you mention. Don't expect him to do the electrical work for a new boiler if you haven't already asked for that, similarly the quooler tap.
I would have given you a day rate price if that is what you prefer so ask your electrician if he can do the same. But don't expect him to know how long it will take him.

 

[JohnW2]

I have mentioned many times that folk sometimes ask me in passing "What`s the price of an average house rewire these days?" my reply is "About the same as an average price of a second hand car!"

I think many of us say that - and (give the range of second hand car prices) obviously is inevitably correct

 

[pete01]

I'm doing a house rewire soon for a family member (wifes side) and my wife has said I'll do it for free

 

[JohnW2]

Been retired for a long time now but £1800 is around the figure I might expect for what seems like quite a lot of work.

Yes, the OP asked for a 'ball-park' figure, and I would think that is within that ball-park. However, as you and others have said, one really needs to obtain a number of quotes - making sure that they are all quoting for roughly the same work (different contractors ideas of 'a full rewire' will inevitably vary).

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I really do appreciate I am asking a hard question..... I have one quote of £1800. I have tried and tried to get others to come and give me a quote but I live in a rural area and I have had numerous cancellations plus people who have come and looked and then not even bothered to quote.... I'm just frustrated...... Other trades have given me a day rate price then an invoice for the materials which I much prefer.

Before asking for quotations, you need to write up a detailed specification, of exactly what you want doing, and how you want it done. Then print it off.

 

[Rojomateus]

Thank you everyone...... have today managed to source another electrician who is happy to work at day rate and let me pay for the materials with no mark up. I am happy with this and plumber, who I know well is going to help with any tracking of walls. Will post a final figure on here when i have it but from all accounts it should be a bit of a saving for me.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Will post a final figure on here when i have it but from all accounts it should be a bit of a saving for me.

Perhaps, but the other side of the coin is that they will have no reason to hurry completing the job. If you supply the materials, you take responsibility should any parts prove to be faulty, or be unsuitable, and the pay for the time needed to replace.

 

[JohnW2]

If you supply the materials, you take responsibility should any parts prove to be faulty, or be unsuitable, and the pay for the time needed to replace.

It doesn't sound as if he is planning on "supplying the materials", but, rather ....

.... another electrician who is happy to .... let me pay for the materials with no mark up.

That sounds like the electrician 'supplying' the materials, doesn't it?