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Hi, I have not yet installed my steel beams as to where I will knock through to my extension. I was wondering if you any one would be able to tell me whether it is always possible to have the steels in the ceiling so I don't have the 'extension look' with steel beams boxed in and plastered all over the place. I can say that the joist run parallel with where the steels will be. Thanks
 
Thanks woody, I was also looking at 2 other points before I set my frame height;
1- if an rsj is higher than my floor height can the joist be dropped slightly lower. I have seen info on rha hangers but is this uk approved?
2- can steels beams be joined any other way at right angles other than sitting ontop of one another or bolted at the same height? Ie- staggered by being bolted at half levels?
 
1- if an rsj is higher than my floor height can the joist be dropped slightly lower. I have seen info on rha hangers but is this uk approved?
We would bolt timber to either the top flange or the into the web (or both if necessary) then fix jiffy joist hangers to the timber. You can then position the joists off-set to the height of the beam. We actually cheat by fixing the floor joists with scewed screws first, them wrap the jiffys around after. It makes lining the joists up simpler.

2- can steels beams be joined any other way at right angles other than sitting ontop of one another or bolted at the same height? Ie- staggered by being bolted at half levels?
Yes they can. Speak to your SE and your steel fabricator to design the connection.
 
Thanks the reply. My resons behind this is my bricklayer suggested keeping my frame height the same as existing on my extension. I have suggested to drop it by around 50mm. By doing so this would allow me to sit my other steam beam at a 'T' angle ontop of the steel beam used over the bifold doors. The top height of the steel that is sitting ontop the steel above the bifolds would be near on perfect to my internal floor height. This seems more logical as then i wont see the steels in the ceiling.

He told me that if i kept the frame height the same i can still put the steel beams ontop of the steel above the bifold doors/windows . But surely if they are too high up then i wont be able to hang my joists of them? Thanks
 
Yes do as nose suggests above.

Get an engineer to design a connection, as its always better to hide steels and keep frame heights the same
 
The existing frame height where my doors are now will be hidden as I want to fit the new steel in the ceiling so you can't see where the extension is? So a new frame height shouldn't cause a problem though should it?
 

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