Hillsborough All Over Again

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Your geography is appalling. As is your knowledge of regional foods.

Where is Staffs? What foodstuff is Staffs famous for?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=W.....69i57j0l5.4102j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...b1AKHTj2CgkQ_B0IuwEwDA&ei=Ro5HWew8yt_BArjsq0g

Is it deep fried battered mars bars

Haggis

 

[Doggit]

Fair point, but she was very insistant on the time, and if she's right, then it casts doubts on how the initial problem was handled by the cab driver.

 

[JohnD]

if

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Sorry Wannabe, are we talking at cross purposes. The cabbie knocked on his neighbours doors at 12:50am, but the fire brigade didn't get the first call till 12:54, yet the cabbie had already packed clothes in a bag, so my question, is when did the fire first start, and why did he wait so long before he did anything.

Your "repeat" refers to a later stage where I think they'd put the fire out in the flat, and then found it was going up the oustide of the building.

But clearly, the advice to stay in the building was the correct advice.............until someone decided to clad the building in flammable materials.

 

[Doggit]

ut clearly, the advice to stay in the building was the correct advice.............until someone decided to clad the building in flammable materials

The advice given to stay in your flat, was standard operating procedure, but someone in charge of the fire should have realised a lot earlier, that it no longer applied because of the way that the fire was raging out of control. And yes, the cladding caused that, but you need someone in charge of a fire, that can react sensibly to chaging conditions, otherwise they shouldn't be in charge.

And as that comment was made after the Lakanal tower fire, why hadn't the Fire Brigade learnt lessons, as well as the council, the government, and everyone else, because it was the Fire Brigade themselves that were singled out for the unecessary deaths, no one else.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The advice given to stay in your flat, was standard operating procedure, but someone in charge of the fire should have realised a lot earlier, that it no longer applied because of the way that the fire was raging out of control. And yes, the cladding caused that, but you need someone in charge of a fire, that can react sensibly to chaging conditions, otherwise they shouldn't be in charge.

And as that comment was made after the Lakanal tower fire, why hadn't the Fire Brigade learnt lessons, as well as the council, the government, and everyone else, because it was the Fire Brigade themselves that were singled out for the unecessary deaths, no one else.

The Fire prevention people did realise that the situation was no longer safe, and they informed the governmental departments, several times, in writing and over a few years. Nothing was done!

How would a change of policy be effected during the fire?
Knocking on every door and handing out new advice?

Can you explain this:

because it was the Fire Brigade themselves that were singled out for the unecessary deaths, no one else.

 

[Doggit]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...fety-failings-tower-block-lakanal-house-blaze

Taken from the above article

“They [Southwark] failed and pleaded guilty, and they’ll be sentenced next week. But the fire brigade too have responsibility, because the people who escaped with their lives were those who ignored the fire brigade’s instructions and ran out of their flats and down the stairs, and those who died were those who accepted the fire brigade’s instructions and stayed in their flats. And of course, that would have been the right advice had the fire safety measures not failed.

“What the fire brigade failed to do is to change their instructions and to recognise things were not happening as they were meant to happen.

“The absolute tragedy of this is that these were avoidable deaths. They should never have happened.”

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...fety-failings-tower-block-lakanal-house-blaze

Taken from the above article

“They [Southwark] failed and pleaded guilty, and they’ll be sentenced next week. But the fire brigade too have responsibility, because the people who escaped with their lives were those who ignored the fire brigade’s instructions and ran out of their flats and down the stairs, and those who died were those who accepted the fire brigade’s instructions and stayed in their flats. And of course, that would have been the right advice had the fire safety measures not failed.

“What the fire brigade failed to do is to change their instructions and to recognise things were not happening as they were meant to happen.

“The absolute tragedy of this is that these were avoidable deaths. They should never have happened.”

I think you have rather misrepresented the evidence.
I quote that part of the article that makes it obvious that it was Harriet Harman's opinion that you quoted:

Outside court, the Labour MP Harriet Harman, whose constituency includes the estate where Lakanal House is situated, welcomed Southwark’s guilty pleas.
“This case was about a fire in which six people – three women and three young children – tragically lost [their] lives and our thoughts are always with them. Nothing can bring them back and the loss for their families and friends will endure,” she said.
“They [Southwark] failed and pleaded guilty, and they’ll be sentenced next week. But the fire brigade too have responsibility,......"

Your arrangement of the quote gives the impression that it was the court findings that suggested the fire service was at fault. That is intentional misrepresentation!
Arse end would be proud of that one!

 

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I will hazard a guess more waffle from him again

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I will hazard a guess more waffle from him again

Arse end is pretending that he is ignoring me again.
He has forgotten that he responded, and addressed one of my comments yesterday.
Total Dickhead!