Hope for the Sub ?

[transam]

In any event the amount of coverage that has been given to this caper about 5 fruit cakes (?) 3 of whom paid out 200 grand to go and look at a 100 year old wreck in what amounts to a home made sub

Where as 800 people died in the med under some what dodgy circumstances ?? As the Greeks stood bye

Is a sort of non event ??

 

[Brigadier]

In any event the amount of coverage that has been given to this caper about 5 fruit cakes (?) 3 of whom paid out 200 grand to go and look at a 100 year old wreck in what amounts to a home made sub

Where as 800 people died in the med under some what dodgy circumstances ?? As the Greeks stood bye

Is a sort of non event ??

Your uncle Joe had a saying for this, didn't he?

 

[Vinty]

I read that Ross Kemp was due to go down on this sub as part of a documentary about the 110th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.
His production company had concerns about the safety of the sub and as Kemp had other commitments the documentary wasn't made.
If it was known that this sub wasnt safe by a number of people, including employees who worked for the firm that built it, why was it given a licence to operate at all.

 

[Vinty]

Your uncle Joe had a saying for this, didn't he?

One death is a tragedy.
A million deaths is a statistic.
He wasn't far wrong.

 

[transam]

Afaik ?? This sub was the only non certificated sub of this type in operation world wide ?

It would appear that the car I am building will have more stringent tests than this deep water sub ffs

 

[fillyboy]

I read that Ross Kemp was due to go down on this sub as part of a documentary about the 110th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.
His production company had concerns about the safety of the sub and as Kemp had other commitments the documentary wasn't made.
If it was known that this sub wasnt safe by a number of people, including employees who worked for the firm that built it, why was it given a licence to operate at all.

I haven't seen the programme but apparently Ross Kemp did a documentary called 'Britain's hardest pubs'. One of the pubs featured was The Swordfish in Newlyn, it gave the impression you shouldn't visit it and expect to come out alive.
Nice pub, nice decor, friendly staff and even friendlier customers. The Star Inn a couple of doors away was rough in terms of decor, this place is where the fishermen go straight off the boats, rough as rats in appearance but equally friendly in terms of staff and customers.

 

[blup]

The sinking sub is a story, just that the media couldn't get a handle on it to make more exciting. How do you certify a sub like that, in the same way that the Apollo mission was certified? Do we ban private space exploration for the same reason? Both are inherently dangerous.

Blup

 

[jeds]

The US has a string of hydrophones on the sea bed along the whole of the eastern coast. We have the same across the Greenland/Iceland/Norway gaps to monitor shipping.
It's like pulling teeth trying to get the US to release 'sensitive data' irrespective of the need.

SOSUS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

The full story is that the UK, US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia have a classified listening system code named 'five eyes'. The UK and US apparently picked up a sound 'with the signature of an implosion' at the same time the sub went dark. One report from a so-called UK naval source (?) said that you have to remain optimistic until you can categorically declare to the contrary and also said that UK military had been in constant contact with the families and had been 'managing expectations'. I take this to mean that they may have encouraged them to not get their hopes up.

One curious thing; the reason given for not releasing the information was that the five eyes system is classified so the information could not be released. But it's been released now so obviously not that classified.

 

[transam]

The sinking sub is a story, just that the media couldn't get a handle on it to make more exciting. How do you certify a sub like that, in the same way that the Apollo mission was certified? Do we ban private space exploration for the same reason? Both are inherently dangerous.

Blup

Perhaps those cobbling together some contraption to take paying customers on a risky journey would be advised to listen to or take note of others advise who have been doing it for years and have some expeirence of the caper

You can self build your own aeroplane there are self build kits out there

But every thing and I mean every thing is checked and signed off every step of the way by a certified engineer

Probably the same with any type of steam powered traction engine

Some fruit cake wants to ignore all this caper and endanger others is not acceptable

Others includes those who risk there lives to rescue as well

 

[Odds]

The baffling thing is a submersible of that kind requires certification to work within a 12-mile National border but there's nothing to stop an uncertified craft like the Titan diving 10,000 feet beneath the North Atlantic without any safety certification whatsoever. Madness.

 

[IT Minion]

Five eyes is shorthand for the intelligence sharing agreement. The various sonar lines are separate, the output of that is shared more widely with wth NATO (sparingly).

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The sinking sub is a story, just that the media couldn't get a handle on it to make more exciting. How do you certify a sub like that, in the same way that the Apollo mission was certified? Do we ban private space exploration for the same reason? Both are inherently dangerous.

Blup

I think the reason there's a degree of frustration and anger from some is around the CEOs approach and views when it came to things like industry standards, certification of components, testing etc. Some of the reports detailing things he said wouldn't fill many with confidence. Even taking just one thing, the controversial shape of the vessel. And he mentioned aspects such as certification being an excuse for others to make money.

Some of this may indeed be true. Take a commercial aircraft for example. A bolt used in its construction might cost £20. You look at the bolt and think 'wait a sec, they sell bolts like this in B&Q for £2, it looks exactly the same!' Maybe much of the bolt characteristics are indeed the same. However the £20 bolt has been certified as suitable for use in commercial aircraft construction, the £2 bolt hasn't. Whether it's a money making racket to some extent or not, which bolts would you want used in an aircraft taking you and your loved ones into the air?

Apparently Gabe Newell's deep-sea submarine followed a more rigourous construction and certification process. Of course you're right, any machine/craft can fail no matter how thorough its construction and testing, it's the fact this guy seemed to swerve much of the advice given to him by experts in the field.

 

[blup]

The baffling thing is a submersible of that kind requires certification to work within a 12-mile National border but there's nothing to stop an uncertified craft like the Titan diving 10,000 feet beneath the North Atlantic without any safety certification whatsoever. Madness.

Baffling, or just the impracticality of certifying something to international standards in international waters. Plenty of certified aircraft where known, and unknown, but detectable, faults have caused avoidable incidents. This was cutting edge stuff albeit on a shoestring.

Blup

 

[Doug99]

The full story is that the UK, US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia have a classified listening system code named 'five eyes'. The UK and US apparently picked up a sound 'with the signature of an implosion' at the same time the sub went dark. One report from a so-called UK naval source (?) said that you have to remain optimistic until you can categorically declare to the contrary and also said that UK military had been in constant contact with the families and had been 'managing expectations'. I take this to mean that they may have encouraged them to not get their hopes up.

One curious thing; the reason given for not releasing the information was that the five eyes system is classified so the information could not be released. But it's been released now so obviously not that classified.

All information gathered from the listening posts is classified, until it has been identified and then considered otherwise. It doesn't happen in real time, but requires human interpretation hence the potential delay.

 

[Brigadier]

The sinking sub is a story, just that the media couldn't get a handle on it to make more exciting. How do you certify a sub like that, in the same way that the Apollo mission was certified? Do we ban private space exploration for the same reason? Both are inherently dangerous.

Blup

Potential rescuers excepted of course, drowning oneself and a few willing volunteers presents zero risk to anyone else.

Building your own car, or attempting to blast oneself into space though........