I'll give Gas safe a call tomorrow, cheers.
How long should it take to comission a new boiler?
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Its not the best senario and needs some work on your part!
You write a letter headed "Letter before Action" to him to point out that he has not completed the installation of the boiler in respect of cleansing the system and commissioning the boiler and if you dont hear from him within five days then you will engage another RGI to do the work and will claim the costs from him together with damages in respect of the non working boiler ( if applicable ).
That MIGHT prompt him!
If not then proceed along those lines and get another approved W-B installer ( if needed for the warrantee ) to reinstall the boiler and Notify to BC.
I am disapointed that W-B dont want to be involved when their approved installers mess up. Subject to checking the wordings you might even be able to join W-B in the court action. Keep a note of time and day you spoke to them and ideally the name.
Tony
You write a letter headed "Letter before Action" to him to point out that he has not completed the installation of the boiler in respect of cleansing the system and commissioning the boiler and if you dont hear from him within five days then you will engage another RGI to do the work and will claim the costs from him together with damages in respect of the non working boiler ( if applicable ).
That MIGHT prompt him!
If not then proceed along those lines and get another approved W-B installer ( if needed for the warrantee ) to reinstall the boiler and Notify to BC.
I am disapointed that W-B dont want to be involved when their approved installers mess up. Subject to checking the wordings you might even be able to join W-B in the court action. Keep a note of time and day you spoke to them and ideally the name.
Tony
If an installer leaves an uncommissioned appliance connected to the gas (even if it's turned off at the boiler) he is required to leave a notice to that effect. If he hasn't left the notice, he's committed an offence under the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations, and should be reported to the HSE under the RIDDOR regulations.
Riddor looks like its only for accidents, but it's also appropriate for situations which are left unsafe ("Immediately Dangerous") though incompetence or bad workmanship.
"When gas operatives carry out new installation work in customer’s premises, they are required to
ensure that the appliance / installation is installed and fully commissioned in accordance with the
GSIUR and manufacturer’s instructions. If this cannot be achieved, the appliance / installation must
not be left connected to the gas supply. If an appliance cannot be fully commissioned, the gas
supply must be disconnected from the appliance and sealed with an appropriate fitting. It should be
labelled to the effect that it must not be used until full and proper commissioning tests have been
carried out."
Obviously you'd report him to the Gas Safe Register as well.
Commissioning one of these boilers, even for an empty (water) system, if it's all connected up, would take under half an hour. So he's being a lazy git.
He might have to come back later to balance radiators, but at least the heating & hot water would be ON!
Riddor looks like its only for accidents, but it's also appropriate for situations which are left unsafe ("Immediately Dangerous") though incompetence or bad workmanship.
"When gas operatives carry out new installation work in customer’s premises, they are required to
ensure that the appliance / installation is installed and fully commissioned in accordance with the
GSIUR and manufacturer’s instructions. If this cannot be achieved, the appliance / installation must
not be left connected to the gas supply. If an appliance cannot be fully commissioned, the gas
supply must be disconnected from the appliance and sealed with an appropriate fitting. It should be
labelled to the effect that it must not be used until full and proper commissioning tests have been
carried out."
Obviously you'd report him to the Gas Safe Register as well.
Commissioning one of these boilers, even for an empty (water) system, if it's all connected up, would take under half an hour. So he's being a lazy git.
He might have to come back later to balance radiators, but at least the heating & hot water would be ON!
He may well be one of those lazy gits who expect multiple leaks whenever he fills a system that he has installed.
I always allow at least one hour to commission a new boiler. But that does include heating the rads and getting an idea of the balance situation as well as completing the Benchmark.
The FGA test can take 6-7 minutes. Coffee alone can take 12 minutes! Answer phone calls from the accident claims lines, Serif and Yellcom and thats another 10 minutes wasted.
Tony
I always allow at least one hour to commission a new boiler. But that does include heating the rads and getting an idea of the balance situation as well as completing the Benchmark.
The FGA test can take 6-7 minutes. Coffee alone can take 12 minutes! Answer phone calls from the accident claims lines, Serif and Yellcom and thats another 10 minutes wasted.
Tony
i would commission one of my installs in 2hrs, but i wouldn't commission your install in 2hrs, (no offence mate
)we talk on here about getting dragged to an illegal install to provide paperwork so this could be one of those jobs, and as we have discussed on here if someone gets an illegal to install we should charge a good few hundred to check/confirm it is right and that can include lifting boards etc etc, so TBH quoting for a days labour could be one of us,
Yeh I see where you're coming from, but I have his gas safe number so clearly its not an "illegal install" however it could well be left in a dangerous state... But hey KirkGas, it's nice to see you're prepared to profit from someone elses misfortune.
Its not profiting from another's misfortunes!
Its doing work which has significant risks involved sanitising an installation which has been done by an illegal.
Most would not want to be involved. Why should we? We can do our work properly to a good standard and complete all the required paperwork. Why should we get involved with sorting out the mess caused by inadequate or crooked people? Better to stay away!
I am one of the few who will agree to sort out these situations.
However, I rarely do because I come up against the customer's reluctance to pay to have it corrected. Their attitude is that they have already paid £3000 for an installation and dont want to pay me £300 to correct it "because they have already overpaid for the work". No logic there but just a frame of mind.
Tony Glazier
Its doing work which has significant risks involved sanitising an installation which has been done by an illegal.
Most would not want to be involved. Why should we? We can do our work properly to a good standard and complete all the required paperwork. Why should we get involved with sorting out the mess caused by inadequate or crooked people? Better to stay away!
I am one of the few who will agree to sort out these situations.
However, I rarely do because I come up against the customer's reluctance to pay to have it corrected. Their attitude is that they have already paid £3000 for an installation and dont want to pay me £300 to correct it "because they have already overpaid for the work". No logic there but just a frame of mind.
Tony Glazier
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gaswizzard
Couldn't agree more.
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