How to reduce knife/violent crime in our cities

[Highway Man]

Evidence from 'Murca showed that, while overall crime numbers were reduced by "three strikes and you're out" sentencing policies, the crimes that were committed were more violent and the murder rate increased.

"I'd rather be hanged for a sheep than a lamb".

If someone is willing to stab someone with a knife in the first place then they deserve to hung.

 

[Brigadier]

Second offence for carrying also life.

Is what you said.

If you know you're going down for life anyway, what's the "incentive" to not stab them?

 

[Knave of Hearts]

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Should we mention £100 million for Notting hill carnival?

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£100 million?
Where do you get your information from, The Jerusalem Times?

What about the £6 million for the National Ballet?
Should we mention that?

 

[Highway Man]

Is what you said.

If you know you're going down for life anyway, what's the "incentive" to not stab them?

The incentive is to not carry in the first place or you know the risk

 

[Knave of Hearts]

The incentive is to not carry in the first place or you know the risk

The problem is that legislation is rarely respected by serious criminals.
Therefore less serious criminals are at greater risk of harm because they are unarmed.
Ergo, there is an inherent motive for less serious criminals to also go armed.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The way I see it is there would be an initial influx of offenders which would dramatically tail off as these thugs realise they are going away if they carry and even worse if they use the knife. i doubt many would continue

But that money has to be spent 1st

 

[Brigadier]

The incentive is to not carry in the first place or you know the risk

But I've shown you that the facts prove otherwise.

Doesn't stop crime, and makes it more violent.

 

[Munroast]

I don't disagree, but that means more prisons, more staff

More cost.

not really, why do they have a bed per prisoner, could get 3 per bunk, 8 hours each - hot bunking they call it on submarines

so there we have it, triple the prison population at little extra cost - and make it more of a deterrent

 

[Highway Man]

But I've shown you that the facts prove otherwise.

Doesn't stop crime, and makes it more violent.

I don't think it does, I cannot imagine anyone wanting to risk a lengthy sentence on the off chance they might feel the need to stab someone.

 

[Brigadier]

I don't think it does, I cannot imagine anyone wanting to risk a lengthy sentence on the off chance they might feel the need to stab someone.

What you think or feel is not relevant.

What has been seen to actually happen, is.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

not really, why do they have a bed per prisoner, could get 3 per bunk, 8 hours each - hot bunking they call it on submarines

so there we have it, triple the prison population at little extra cost - and make it more of a deterrent

And then there's the real world

 

[Highway Man]

What you think or feel is not relevant.

What has been seen to actually happen, is.

I doubt very much that would be the case, you are talking about a completely different type of crime

 

[Munroast]

it depends upon how ruthless sentencing is carried out - although there is supposed to be jail time for just carry a knife, it is rarely ever used - too many second chances from our rediculous left wing namby pamby justice system

Look up how lord Carmount dealt with glasgows Razor gangs in the 50s - he made a rule anyone with a razor would be going to jail, and started handing out massive sentences - he didnt listen to sob stories

In 1952, when razor gangs were running amok in Glasgow, Lord Carmont went there from Edinburgh to preside over the High Court and after warning that future sentences might require to be more severe if the use of razors and other similar weapons did not cease forthwith, he then imposed sentences of up to 10 years' imprisonment on all those who appeared before him convicted of inflicting horrific injuries on others. One week later the Glasgow police had their first weekend since the war without a single slashing or similar attack. This incident resulted in the phrase "Doing a Carmont" entering the language of the underworld and the press

 

[Brigadier]

The Lethal Effects of Three‐Strikes Laws on JSTOR

Thomas B. Marvell, Carlisle E. Moody, The Lethal Effects of Three‐Strikes Laws, The Journal of Legal Studies, Vol. 30, No. 1 (January 2001), pp. 89-106

www.jstor.org

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by DAN MACALLAIR · 1999 — In other words, the age group that is most likely to be sentenced under “Three Strikes” witnessed increases in felony arrests and violent crime.

THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF 'THREE- ...​

National Bureau of Economic Research | NBER
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by R Iyengar · 2008 · Cited by 81 — Three-Strikes reduced overall crime, but increased the likelihood of committing more violent crimes due to a flattened penalty gradient.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

it depends upon how ruthless sentencing is carried out - although there is supposed to be jail time for just carry a knife, it is rarely ever used - too many second chances from our rediculous left wing namby pamby justice system

Look up how lord Carmount dealt with glasgows Razor gangs in the 50s - he made a rule anyone with a razor would be going to jail, and started handing out massive sentences - he didnt listen to sob stories

In 1952, when razor gangs were running amok in Glasgow, Lord Carmont went there from Edinburgh to preside over the High Court and after warning that future sentences might require to be more severe if the use of razors and other similar weapons did not cease forthwith, he then imposed sentences of up to 10 years' imprisonment on all those who appeared before him convicted of inflicting horrific injuries on others. One week later the Glasgow police had their first weekend since the war without a single slashing or similar attack. This incident resulted in the phrase "Doing a Carmont" entering the language of the underworld and the press

Left wing justice system.

Who do you think has been in charge of it for a large number of years.

They avoided prison sentences in favour of austerity

Prisons cost. Either we pay for them or we suffer. Seems more cost to me by cutting back so much.

Austerity is biting hard now, but people are forgetting who put us in this mess, and blame the lefties. Laughable