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How to sell a boiler

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by bernardgreen, 2 Jun 2017.

  1. bernardgreen

    bernardgreen

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    Here is the answer
     
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  3. Bernard thats very old news which has been re submitted and not worth your posting.

    Not getting into discussion as it has all been discussed years ago.
     
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  4. Razor900

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    It seems to be working pretty well at the moment ;)
     
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    Possibly but was it in the public forum or in the combustion chamber.

    The matter of how the procurement process in housing development schemes can be manipulated is being talked about in another place.
     
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    We are not talking about a gas installer commssioned by a house owner to install a new / replacement heating system in one house. It is about determining which boilers will be installed in a development of over 100 new homes. That is where the sales men in their not so squeeky shoes can and do manipulate the procurement process.
     
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    Salesmen manipulate the selling process to ensure their own products get sold? Well F**k me sideways what will they think of next?
     
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    no **********when a development is involved it is all down to pennies per unit , nothing to do with what you appear to believe, do you really think a property developer could give one about the warranty on a diverter valve ???? or whatever else you have read about
     
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    So many discounts, kickbacks & rebates, it would make your eyes water Berny old bean. I'm amazed you've not Googled it???!!!!
     
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    I'm binge watching White Gold on catch up. For those of us that lived through the 80s.
     
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    Without question Razor, you should encourage the Intergash Salesmen to walk around with Sandwich Boards. A certain Scottish one could also play the Bagpipes, that'll pull a crowd.
    Perhaps you could propose that at the next Sales Meeting?
     
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    We're very proud to have Alex as part of the team he's a great salesman and a really nice bloke that served his country as a Fusilier as I'm sure you know. He's very fond of the tartan and no get together would be the same without his agony bags.

    He's the most Scottish man I've ever met and for once that's a compliment!(y)

    Ps we have a newish engineer up there as well now. Gary is a top man too if you ever meet him
     
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    Alex is a great guy Razor.
     
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    It does seem that Intergas specifically targeted the rental housing market with a boiler that is ideal for that market. A very reliable heat exchanger and only 4 moving parts. Hence the landlords ( or housing association ) can look forward to many years of trouble free operation from the boiler. Fit and forget being a good selling point.

    But that reliability comes at a cost. The heat exchanger has a large thermal mass that has to be heated before any heat reaches the water. The larger the themal mass the more water will flow and maybe wasted before heat reaches the water in the boiler. It is whether the person / family living in the house is prepared to accept this delay and possible waste before hot water arrives that affects the choice of boiler.

    A home owner can, if given the truth and the whole truth about boiler performance, decide which make and type of boiler is best suited for the life style of the people in the house.

    A tenant does not have the choice of boiler, that is a decision the land lord makes. The landlords interests are very different from the tenants interests.

    Some boiler marketing people will say the delay caused by the need to heat the thermal mass of the heat exchangers ( primary and secondary in a conventional combi ) before hot water leaves the boiler is not seen as a problem by the people living with them. That is put in doubt by the inclusion in many combi boilers of small tanks of pre-heated water to provide instant hot water when the hot tap is turned on. Less wasted water ( visible waste ) but more gas consumed keeping the pre-heated water hot ( not so visible "waste" ).

    The other selling point when selling to landlords / housing associations is the ability of a boiler to contact the service department / landlord and report faults and / or mis-operation of the boiler. The landlord can then arrange to have the boiler serviced / repaired before the situation develops into a loss of heating and subsequent complaints from the tenant who may not have reported anything about mis-operation of the heating system until the boiler completely stopped working. At that point the tenant is likely to demand immediate repairs.

    For some homes the "big brother" survailance of boilers and their performance has benefits to both the landlord and the tenants. It will have benefit for some owner occupiers but it will for others be seen as an intrusion on privacy. It is likely to have some commercial benefits to the service industry.

    For me all the above was originally derived from common sense and some basic knowledge of science and engineering. It was then supported by the opinions of people with first hand experience in these matters.

    Google is a tool to verify that information is in the public domain and can therefor be quoted from a public domain document.
     
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    Your point is caller???!!! This drivel is a mixture of the obvious & naivety.
    The HA would be getting a quality product, that's held in high regard by my goodself & my peers.

    As for the 'Big Brother' type approach to boiler monitoring & maintainance, Ariston are in to this in a big way, specify & install 100 of them Berny boy & your phone will be ringing off the wall for the next few years. The tenants will luv you fella!!!.........:LOL::LOL::LOL:

    Wikipedia is also in the public domain matey, but there's some load of shyte in there too!!
     
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    and your point is ?? basically housing association don't give a flying fook what boilers are installed , well there is one PRICE , end of
     
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