ID cards are coming!

[Dellsmp]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4860642.stm
Maybe they'll say what trades you can work on as well!

 

[pickles]

Well we are a bit behind the times on that one. Lots of parts of the world have them and they don't seem to cause any problems. Quite handy to have some simple way of proving who you are. Personally I'm all for it

 

[Big_Spark]

Excellent idea, make them compulsory and kick out all the blooming Illegal immigrants.

Even the Gov reckons it costs us £30 Billion a year, so the scheme would pay for itselfin no time.

The only hold up is bleeding heart liberals and those with something to hide or the clinically paranoid

 

[WoodYouLike]

Well we are a bit behind the times on that one. Lots of parts of the world have them and they don't seem to cause any problems. Quite handy to have some simple way of proving who you are. Personally I'm all for it

We've got them for years now. It is also a 'European' passport, so if you only travel in the EU you don't need to pay extra for a 'normal' passport.

 

[ellal]

The only hold up is bleeding heart liberals and those with something to hide or the clinically paranoid

Oh, you mean those who want a bit of privacy left in their lives, and not having an authoritarian government tracking your movements?...

Excellent idea, make them compulsory and kick out all the blooming Illegal immigrants.

Even the Gov reckons it costs us £30 Billion a year, so the scheme would pay for itselfin no time.

maybe you could answer one thing..when you go and get processed, what documents will you take to prove who you are?..not the same ones that Bliar says are not secure enough by any chance..

We've got them for years now. It is also a 'European' passport, so if you only travel in the EU you don't need to pay extra for a 'normal' passport

Well it works differently here - even if you don't get one you still have to pay, and get a passport as well!

In the style of Clinton - 'it's all about the database stupid'...

 

[WoodYouLike]

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We've got them for years now. It is also a 'European' passport, so if you only travel in the EU you don't need to pay extra for a 'normal' passport

Well it works differently here - even if you don't get one you still have to pay, and get a passport as well!

Couse it works differently here, here they always have to re-invent the wheel (Plus of course the Dutch are very thrifty by nature and recognise an advantage for the people when they see one: that's the reason why nobody, well not many, were against the introductions of the ID-card)

 

[ellal]

Couse it works differently here, here they always have to re-invent the wheel (Plus of course the Dutch are very thrifty by nature and recognise an advantage for the people when they see one: that's the reason why nobody, well not many, were against the introductions of the ID-card)

Well not anymore, since the consequences became apparent..

ID cards were made compulsory to carry and produce in January 2005. By the end of last August close to fourty-seven-thousand people had been fined, of which four thousand were children aged 14 and 15. Last January around 100 people a day were stopped, checked by the police and fined when they were not able to immediately produce a valid ID card."

Which is exactly what will eventually happen here!

 

[WoodYouLike]

Well not anymore, since the consequences became apparent..

Sorry, lost you there?

 

[ellal]

Well not anymore, since the consequences became apparent..

Sorry, lost you there?

The consequences of having ID cards introduced..

Initially voluntary, then compulsory, then compulsory to carry and produce on demand..

Try asking the opinion of the dutch now, and what advantages there really are!

Most of those in favour here will probably change their mind when they have to carry that 'convenient piece of plastic' around at all times, and produce it for every jobsworth, or being demanded by the police for no reason at all!

In WW2, cards had to be carried, but the reason they were abolished in 1952 was the very reasons above!

 

[WoodYouLike]

Well not anymore, since the consequences became apparent..

Sorry, lost you there?

The consequences of having ID cards introduced..

Initially voluntary, then compulsory, then compulsory to carry and produce on demand..

Nope, they were compulsary from the beginning. And besides that, years before they were introduced you had to be able to identify yourself already (either by drivers-license or passport, AOP-pass etc). Where do you think is more identity theft, here or there?
All payroll departments of all companies had to have copies of ID_cards or passports of everyone employed.
Don't see the problem of having to 'carry' a plastic card with me all the time (always have my drivers-licence with me, as I think most of us do - next to a wallet full of credit cards , so what's the difference?)

 

[ellal]

ID cards are by no means a novelty in the Netherlands. But the Dutch were always told that they would never be obliged to carry them. Then came 1 January 2005.

And that 'bit of plastic' is not the point of the system in th UK..

Everytime you use that bit of plastic it will be recorded on the NIR, why it was asked for, and by whom...for the whole of your life!

 

[WoodYouLike]

ID cards are by no means a novelty in the Netherlands. But the Dutch were always told that they would never be obliged to carry them. Then came 1 January 2005.

Sorry, but we were obliged to carry them from day one on.

 

[empip]

Speed and traffic cams are to be fitted for swipe cards .. when the affixed 'whistle' blows anyone within camera shot will have to swipe their ID card ... otherwise the (compulsory) number tattooed on their forehead will be recorded and a NIP posted to their last known 25 addresses.
The cam range will vary infinitely from 10 to 1000 M the current range settings may be gathered by phone, calls to cost a min of £50 p/m no max.
The good news -- proceeds collected will not count toward the CP index, therefore will not affect the four other items in the 'inflation' basket namely, Saturn rockets, six fingered gloves, four legged knickers and triple lensed specs.
Inflation will remain rock steady at 0.0001% ....

You've never had it so good !!

 

[ellal]

ID cards are by no means a novelty in the Netherlands. But the Dutch were always told that they would never be obliged to carry them. Then came 1 January 2005.

Sorry, but we were obliged to carry them from day one on.

There is a difference between being able to identify yourself and carrying an identity card..

ID documents become mandatory in the Netherlands

Under a new law that came into effect on 1 January 2005, all Dutch citizens and residents aged 14 and above must now carry a valid ID document at all times.

Valid forms of ID are a passport, a driving license, a Dutch or European ID card, or a residence permit. In practical terms, the new law will force many Dutch citizens to carry an ID card. Indeed, about 330,000 young people aged 14 to 18 do not have a passport or a driver’s licence, while many citizens who only have a passport do not feel it’s safe or convenient to carry it with them at all times.

 

[ellal]

And as to further effects on the dutch..

Since the spring of 2005, there is a hotline to report abuse of the law on compulsory identification. Many parents have complained to the hotline they do not want their children to continuously have a passport or ID card on them. The hotline also reports complaints from parents who were completely anxious about their children not returning home in time, after which they found out they were held in a police cell and not allowed to call home.

The national ombudsman in the Netherlands even reports complaints from people who voluntarily reported themselves as witnesses to accidents, but were fined because they could not show their ID. In fact one of the arguments for introducing the law was the need for the police to be able to identify witnesses. Fining voluntary witnesses is of course the surest way to make any witness run away from the scene as fast as possible.