Is it any wonder kids minds are fecked?

[Notch7]

Eh? Seriously?

Yes Sunshine thinks transgender is a mental illness

Gender dysphoria should be treated as a mental illness with compassion and counselling as it always used to be imho

You can love someone whilst accepting they are mentally unwell. The two are not mutually exclusive of each other. The child is put in the unenviable position of not having a choice

 

[noseall]

Gender dysphoria should be treated as a mental illness

Under what specific (mental illness) diagnosis/treatment?

 

[MNW67]

Yes Sunshine thinks transgender is a mental illness

As I posted earlier, this is something I knew very little about. But after some more Googling I think I can square this circle.

What I have been reading is that people who oppose transgender recognition might often blur the terminology. But if you look carefully, they are not saying that being transgender is actually a mental illness. They are saying that people who suffer such mental distress from being transgender that it affects their daily life and functioning are suffering mental illness.

 

[MNW67]

Under what specific (mental illness) diagnosis/treatment?

Following on from the post above, "gender dysphoria" is the specific mental illness which is diagnosed. The treatment is "gender affirming care".

 

[Notch7]

But if you look carefully, they are not saying that being transgender is actually a mental illness. They are saying that people who suffer such mental distress from being transgender that it affects their daily life and functioning are suffering mental illness.

very well expressed

Sunshine is dismissing Gender dysphoria as a mental illness, he isnt saying the treatment is gender affirming care.

there is a very high level of suicide and depression amongst the transgender community...............hardly surprising, its a very difficult thing to deal with, which is why I get so pizzed off that its used as a political football by the right who are screaming about "woke" all the time

 

[motorbiking]

There is a link to mental illness and there are plenty of people who underwent gender reassignment only to find it wasn't the issue. Imagine a world were is was not possible to change your gentles or appearance. You are left with Gender Dysphoria and Gender Dysmorphia. You'd have to treat the underlying condition, not change the body to match.

Many young people go through Dysphoria/Dysmorphia and come out the other end without change. I personally think these people need some protection from making life changing decisions they could regret. These are not unwanted tattoos.

 

[MNW67]

he isnt saying the treatment is gender affirming care

But he or she (we don't know) hasn't specifically said that it isn't. That is partly why it has been an unsatisfying discussion in many respects.

 

[MNW67]

There is a link to mental illness and there are plenty of people who underwent gender reassignment only to find it wasn't the issue. Imagine a world were is was not possible to change your gentles or appearance. You are left with Gender Dysphoria and Gender Dysmorphia. You'd have to treat the underlying condition, not change the body to match.

Many young people go through Dysphoria/Dysmorphia and come out the other end without change. I personally think these people need some protection from making life changing decisions they could regret. These are not unwanted tattoos.

I agree with some, maybe most of that. But with issues like these we all need to be very precise about what we write. What do you mean by "There is a link to mental illness"?

I agree that permanent physical changes should be the last resort.

Also, the blurring of terminology has been a big problem in this discussion. Could you explain a bit more about what you mean by gender dysmorphia. I am aware of body dysmorphia, but I have found almost nothing on gender dysmorphia.

 

[Notch7]

But he or she (we don't know) hasn't specifically said that it isn't. That is partly why it has been an unsatisfying discussion in many respects.

you will never get a straight answer from sunshine, he is a conspiracy theorist and talks in riddles

 

[MNW67]

you will never get a straight answer from sunshine, he is a conspiracy theorist and talks in riddles

I think sunshine often makes interesting posts but then doesn't follow through. I like a detailed forensic discussion and am much more interested in learning stuff rather than arguing. Was it sunshine who posted that adding TQ to LBG had caused a lot of problems? I can see now that they are not natural bedfellows (pardon the pun). In fact, thinking back to my own friends and colleagues, I can often remember a lot of hostility even between gay men and lesbians, who were often very dismissive of the other group.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Unbelievable.

Almost the entire thread has turned into what Sunshine does or does not think.

I'm off the forum for a bit as I am finding it a bit dull atm and have other things I want to prioritise.

Perhaps it would be better to engage with the substance of the original post?

Just a suggestion.

 

[MNW67]

Unbelievable.

Almost the entire thread has turned into what Sunshine does or does not think.

Reading back, I can see that is true. It wasn't intentional on my part. I was just responding to others comments.

 

[MNW67]

Perhaps it would be better to engage with the substance of the original post?

I think in a round about way we were just getting back to that substance. I have actually learnt a lot from this thread.

 

[noseall]

I'm off the forum for a bit as I am finding it a bit dull

You know there's more to it than the GD section?

 

[Notch7]

I'm off the forum for a bit as I am finding it a bit dull atm and have other things I want to prioritise

you mean you are running away because youve been caught out

Perhaps it would be better to engage with the substance of the original post?

the original post is about denying transgender exists...............which is what you are claiming too