Israel under attack

I have consistently discussed the labelling of Hamas as a terror organisation by the West, and the reasons for it.
So you don’t think they should be called a terrorist organisation

Therefore you don’t think Hamas are terrorists

Thank you for admitting you support Hamas and their actions
 
its the ruling powers of Israel, not Israel the country or its citizens
You stated earlier that Israel is a democracy. And I agreed. Therefore the Israeli government is the country, and is the repesentative of its people.
Of course not all of its citizems agree with the government policies. that's the same in all countries. As in all countries some will vehemently disagree with the government.


and the conflict is very much Hamas and it’s foreign influencers / funders.
That will explain the continued war with the Palestinians in the West Bank, its continuing occupation of the West Bank, and its continuing expansion of settlements?
You need to see the bigger picture.


it’s Hamas that refuse to recognise Israel as a state and refuse to consider a 2 state system, not all Palestinians
Hamas refused the US version of a two state solution.
And of courese US will have presented a fair and equitable settelement. :rolleyes:
 
Get real for goodness sake...
You think I'm making it up?
More than 200 Palestinians and nearly 30 Israelis have been killed so far this year in the occupied West Bank and Israel – a level of violence surpassing last year’s entire death toll and the highest number of fatalities since 2005, the United Nations Middle East envoy has said.

And that's in the West Bank alone, a country which Notch7 thinks isn't at war with Israel.
 
Do you accept that Hamas is a terrorist organisation because it commits terror
The labelling of organisations as terrorist is a political act.
During WWII French resistance fighters would have been designated as a terrorist organisation.
UK and others called them Resistance.
Can you accept that the labelling of an organisation as a terrorist organisation is a political action, designed to sway public opinion, and bears no resemblance to reality?

Labeling Terrorism
Many violent events are labeled “terrorism” by the media, but there is no definite agreement as to what characteristics of an attack render it terrorism.

The article goes on to suggest that a disputed version of what is terrorism can only be ascribed to non-state organisations. Now that's convenient. :rolleyes:

Some obvious terrorist incidents were not described as teroriism because it fitted the racist attitudes at that time, e.g,.

Some events fit the definition of terrorism, but they are not labeled terrorism (Lemieux,2014; Nagar, 2010) For example, the perpetrator of the June 2015 shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, in which African Americans were shot in a church, admitted that his actions were politically-aimed and meant to spread fear in the community. Though both are distinct qualities of terrorism, the perpetrator was not charged with terrorism

I will repeat: the labelling of an organisation as a terrorist organisation is a political action, designed to sway public opinion, and bears no resemblance to reality.
 
So you don’t think they should be called a terrorist organisation

Therefore you don’t think Hamas are terrorists

Thank you for admitting you support Hamas and their actions
If you don't like the answers, don't keep asking the same question repeatedly. :rolleyes:
Because I discuss the labelling of organisations as terrorists does not suggest, state, nor imply that I support terrorism.
You're making dishonest allegations again, and as usual.
If you can't refrain from making dishonest allegations when discussing senstive issues, perhaps you shouldn't participate at all.
 
Just as a thought:
If UK was to alter its support for Israel, and perhaps take a more non-partisan approach, it may have to admit that its foreign policy towards the Middle East from about 1000 AD to about 1500 AD was fundamentally wrong, and perhaps Britain would then be seen as an invader, or even a terrorist organisation.
 
They were fighting German soldiers not civilians
Usually, but not always:
... the Resistance took its revenge on collaborators who were often beaten or killed in extrajudicial executions.


And Israel is targetting Palestinian civilians, as it has done for decades.
 
Have Hamas committed acts of terror in your opinion?
If you don't like my answers stop asking the same question repeatedly.
And if you think I'm going to change my answer because you keep repeating the same question time and time again, you're being foolhardy.

To describe an organisation as terrorist, or their actions as terrorist depends entirely on your own political viewpoint. (and to a lesser degree your approach to ethnicity)
To describe Hamas actions of killing civilians, as terrorist, one must also describe Israelis as terrorists, and the WWII French (and other country's) Resistance, which UK were providing finance, arms and even fighters, as terrorists, and even all racial violence perpetrators, as terrorists.

NB, Muslim racial violence is already described as terrorist.
Terrorists are Always Muslim but Never White
When you hear the word “terrorist,” who do you picture? Chances are, it is not a white person.
Different strands of critical race theory can help us understand these two narratives. One strand examines the role of unconscious cognitive biases in the production of stereotypes, such as the stereotype of the “Muslim terrorist.” Another strand focuses on white privilege, such as the privilege of avoiding the terrorist label.
 
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