Israel under attack

[denso13]

It's a reproduced web page from an archive.
So no, it's not the genuine article.

Ok. You don't believe the 2017 charter I posted is the correct one, but you don't know what the correct one actually says.

There is no point arguing for Hamas if you have no idea what their correct aims and objectives are in the first place..

 

[denso13]

We can only guess from the abstracts that are available,

You don't know if the abstracts are real. You (claim you) haven't seen the original document.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Any access to Hamas publicised information is restricted:

 

[denso13]

Any access to Hamas publicised information is restricted:

No, but access to the website is.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Ok. You don't believe the 2017 charter I posted is the correct one, but you don't know what the correct one actually says.

There is no point arguing for Hamas if you have no idea what their correct aims and objectives are in the first place..

We can't be sure it is accurate. that's right we can't be certain what the genuine one says. We're led to believe what i sayd from Israel and US versions.
The best we can hope for is the Wikipedia version. But we can't be certain that is accurate.

 

[Roy Bloom]

No, but access to the website is.

It's not. You're seeing an archived version. Look at the link that you provided.

And don't forget what I've already posted:

Middle East Eye (MEE) is a London-based news website
MEE is edited by David Hearst, a former foreign leader writer for the British daily, The Guardian

Cyberattack​

In April 2020, MEE was one of 20 websites targeted by hackers that cybersecurity experts, ESET, have linked to an Israeli surveillance company called Candiru. The website was impacted using a Watering hole attack which serves malicious code to certain visitors allowing the attackers to compromise their PCs.

 

[fillyboy]

The internet is awash with misinformation

In all fairness Roy, you seem to be the main source.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You don't know if the abstracts are real. You (claim you) haven't seen the original document.

It's the accuracy that is a problem.
Look at the numerous translations of the Bible for an example of problems translating Middle Eastern languages into English.

 

[denso13]

The best we can hope for is the Wikipedia version

Wikipedia links to the one I posted, which you don't believe either.

But we can't be certain that is accurate.

Fine. So you aren't certain what Hamas stand for.

 

[Roy Bloom]

In all fairness Roy, you seem to be the main source.

At least I do try to reference genuine and relaible sources.
You tell outlandish lies with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

 

[denso13]

It's the accuracy that is a problem.

Every version I have posted says the same thing. Exactly.

The leader of Hamas quotes parts of it, exactly, at the press launch.

An archived page of the actual Hamas website has the same document. You can reach it live, now, if you use a vpn.

I'm happy to accept that it is genuine. I don't care if you accept it or not, but it does seem strange that you argue for them without being sure what they actually stand for.

 

[fillyboy]

At least I do try to reference genuine and relaible sources.
You tell outlandish lies with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

You supporting terrorism and supporting the notion that 'the Israeli's had it coming' is hardly a lie is it?. It's a statement of fact.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Wikipedia links to the one I posted, which you don't believe either.

I've been looking back. I took your word for these two sources that you say you presented. I refuted them being being different sources.
As far as I can see you have only linked to one source.
Can you repost this Wikipedia one?

Fine. So you aren't certain what Hamas stand for.

As best as we can glean from the available sources at out disposal, and from our own personal experience, and from historical ocurences, and from reliable reporting, and from what we can consider to be logically possible and what is logically impossible, and from our own moral compass.

How do you construct your world view?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Every version I have posted says the same thing. Exactly.

As far as I can see, you have only presented from one source.
That'll be why they're all the same.

An archived page of the actual Hamas website has the same document. You can reach it live, now, if you use a vpn.

Read what you've just posted.
And remember what I've already posted three times.

Middle East Eye (MEE) is a London-based news website
MEE is edited by David Hearst, a former foreign leader writer for the British daily, The Guardian

Cyberattack​

In April 2020, MEE was one of 20 websites targeted by hackers that cybersecurity experts, ESET, have linked to an Israeli surveillance company called Candiru. The website was impacted using a Watering hole attack which serves malicious code to certain visitors allowing the attackers to compromise their PCs.

I'm happy to accept that it is genuine. I don't care if you accept it or not, but it does seem strange that you argue for them without being sure what they actually stand for.

As I've just said:

As best as we can glean from the available sources at out disposal, and from our own personal experience, and from historical ocurences, and from reliable reporting, and from what we can consider to be logically possible and what is logically impossible, and from our own moral compass.

How do you construct your world view?

Are you not reading my comments?
Just blasting away with your own comments?
Slow down and deal with one issue at a time instead of trying to inundate me with your posts.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You supporting terrorism and supporting the notion that 'the Israeli's had it coming' is hardly a lie is it?. It's a statement of fact.

Then present the evidence.
Oh I forgot, the dog ate your homework.
In which case it's not a statement of fact. it's a fuzzy and incorrect recollection of yours.