J D Vance. Munich speech.

[fillyboy]

To join NATO. Pootin is against it so Trump falls into line.

Weren't all sides against the expansion of NATO beyond Easter Germany in the 90's?, what changed?
On the plus side, Russia are OK with them joining the EU.

 

[denso13]

what changed?

Pootin changed. Russia were to respect Ukraine's borders when they gave up their nuclear arsenal. Is it any wonder that Ukraine are looking for the protection NATO provides?

 

[blup]

I can't work out what it is you want. Do you know?

That is not the issue. If you disagree with the current position (supporting ukrane with arms), that doesn't make your 1+1=3 solution correct.

 

[denso13]

On the plus side, Russia are OK with them joining the EU.

Who cares what Russia are ok with, it isn't their decision.

 

[blup]

There will be concessions from both sides, and security guarantees from both sides. That's all we know ATM., and that's a lot closer to a 'solution' then we were a few months ago.
Not sure why so many on here have a problem with that.

A solution that excludes Ukrane and Europe from the negotiations is a stitch up not a settlement.

 

[fillyboy]

A solution that excludes Ukrane and Europe from the negotiations is a stitch up not a settlement.

Europe can't even negotiate between themselves, the German and Polish leaders walked out of the Paris meeting after Starmer said he was going to put boots on the ground.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

There will be concessions from both sides, and security guarantees from both sides. That's all we know ATM., and that's a lot closer to a 'solution' then we were a few months ago.
Not sure why so many on here have a problem with that.

You can't work out the problem ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What are Ukraine's ambitions and what's been offered?

Nothing has been offered, Ukraine weren't invited to talks about, erm, Ukraine

 

[transam]

You put smiling winks when you talk about child rape, and laughter and winks when discussing UK deaths abroad.

You are one sick puppy, trans.

Says the sick puppy noseall which tbh is



Ali Harbi Ali Noseall



Yes exactly

Incidentally does the UK need to apologise about your trip to Austria ???

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Europe can't even negotiate between themselves, the German and Polish leaders walked out of the Paris meeting after Starmer said he was going to put boots on the ground.

Absoloutely irrelevant.

The issue is that Trunmp went in to talks without consulting Europe or Ukraine.

What sort of support and consolidateed approach is that? Why are you so keen for Trump and Pootin to decide what happens without the involvement of ALL those affected

 

[denso13]

You can't work out the problem ?

Can you imagine the uproar if Israel were told, "yes Hamas are nasty people, but you'll have to give concessions and wait for the outcome of peace talks between the UAE and Palestine".

Bedlam would ensue.

 

[transam]

Its completely premature and assumes that any settlement/capitulation will be acceptable to Zelenski and the rest of Europe, which it wont.

Won’t really matter imo

Europe won’t be capable of stepping up to the plate ??

Doubt Poo tin is that concerned about Europes actions and is probably laughing his way sits off

European peace keeping force
Comprising of who ?

And there remit is what observe ??

No US clout / back up yeah right

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Europe can't even negotiate between themselves, the German and Polish leaders walked out of the Paris meeting after Starmer said he was going to put boots on the ground.

They just talk in riddles and don't seem to be able to articulate what solution would satisfy any of them either on this forum or in political talks. It's just another 'we hate Trump and everything he does and doesn't do' thread.

 

[denso13]

They just talk in riddles and don't seem to be able to articulate what solution would satisfy any of them either on this forum or in political talks.

Ukraine should be given the tools to expel Russia from their territory. That clear enough?

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Ukraine should be given the tools to expel Russia from their territory. That clear enough?

OK, what does that involve?