Looks like they've found a sacrificial lamb/scape goat for Rachel.

[ReganAndCarter]

The immigrants are not the cause of all this country's ills,

I hear this a lot, but don't think anyone on the right has ever claimed that. The real cause of all our ills are the trecherous politicians - we're under no illusions. We're basically bankrupt and in steady decline. We are overcrowded with roads, rail, NHS, housing and all services at breaking point. We can't afford ourselves. The last thing we need is millions more dependant, uneducated people from the third world who come from very different, often mysogynistic, violent cultures unsuited to our own. They are a massive drain on hard pressed taxpayers and the vast majority will never make a positive contribution.

Any cheerleaders for mass, uncontrolled immigration need to look their children in the eye and ask if they really want to inflict such a massive, potentially disasterous burden and social experiment on them and their children. Because I see anyone on the left who is pro mass, uncontrolled immigration and to hell with the consequences to everyone and future generations - as very selfish people indeed. We are custodians of this country for future generations - we don't own it. It up to us to pass it on as we found it or better. Not take big risks with it that mean we/future generations have nothing to gain but everything to lose.

 

[Mottie]

95% of Reform supporters, voted for Brexit.

The people voting for Reform are the people unable to accept they were wrong about Brexit, poor lambs are desperate for validation

Is that more Notchy proof? Classic!

 

[motorbiking]

A poll carried out by GBnews

nope.

Budget 2025: Over a third of Britons think Rachel Reeves exaggerated bad news

In a big blow for Sir Keir Starmer, Labour are now less trusted than Liz Truss - who oversaw the mini-budget - on the economy. Latest polling reveals some 52% think the country will be worse off because of the budget.

news.sky.com

 

[Mottie]

Any cheerleaders for mass, uncontrolled immigration need to look their children in the eye and ask if they really want to inflict such a massive, potentially disasterous burden and social experiment on them and their children.

I’d imagine a fair proportion of those cheerleaders are childless. They don’t care what happens in the future to other peoples children and grandchildren.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I’d imagine a fair proportion of those cheerleaders are childless. They don’t care what happens in the future to other peoples children and grandchildren.

Yes, that is a big part of the problem, ie. they're not invested in the future. I don't actually have children myself but have neices who I want the best for, plus I do care about what happens to future generations of indigenous Brits.

Also true that a large percentage of third world immigration enthusiasts are basically anarchist n'er-do-wells who relish chaos and destruction of the system. They can't wait for The UK to fall into some dystopian, Mad Max situation. These wreckers walk amongst us on this very forum.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I hear this a lot, but don't think anyone on the right has ever claimed that. The real cause of all our ills are the trecherous politicians - we're under no illusions. We're basically bankrupt and in steady decline. We are overcrowded with roads, rail, NHS, housing and all services at breaking point. We can't afford ourselves. The last thing we need is millions more dependant, uneducated people from the third world who come from very different, often mysogynistic, violent cultures unsuited to our own. They are a massive drain on hard pressed taxpayers and the vast majority will never make a positive contribution.

Any cheerleaders for mass, uncontrolled immigration need to look their children in the eye and ask if they really want to inflict such a massive, potentially disasterous burden and social experiment on them and their children. Because I see anyone on the left who is pro mass, uncontrolled immigration and to hell with the consequences to everyone and future generations - as very selfish people indeed. We are custodians of this country for future generations - we don't own it. It up to us to pass it on as we found it or better. Not take big risks with it that mean we/future generations have nothing to gain but everything to lose.

Can you tell me who exactly is asking for more immigrants?

Wanting a decent effective system, is not the same as asking for more.

But I do appreciate you recognising that you are a right wing person.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Can you tell me who exactly is asking for more immigrants?

In general, the ones holding 'Refugees Welcome' signs. When everyone knows they're mostly not genuine refugees. Then there's the facilitators, the less honest ones. There are plenty on here. They shout down anyone who wants strong borders and proper control. They use the R word against anyone who sensibly doesn't want to live in a country that is rapidly changing colour and is being islamified in many ways. They erroneously say that we are against all immigration. They erroneously say that we blame immigrants for all the problems The UK faces. Basically they have no answers but aid the madness by trying to close down debate.

You are a probable facilitator and definitely left. Even if you don't admit or recognise it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

In general, the ones holding 'Refugees Welcome' signs. When everyone knows they're mostly not genuine refugees. Then there's the facilitators, the less honest ones. There are plenty on here

Who are they then? I don't see anybody wanting more and more in here.

. They shout down anyone who wants strong borders and proper control.

That's exactly what I ( and many others you call lefties) want. Better processing.

They use the R word against anyone

No. But there are some outright racists in here. Aren't there ?

who sensibly doesn't want to live in a country that is rapidly changing colour

Do you consider colour to be an issue ?

and is being islamified in many ways.

And not. In many ways.

They erroneously say that we are against all immigration.

I think some are. Aren't they

They erroneously say that we blame immigrants for all the problems

We've been told it, 1st Brexit. Now boat people.

The UK faces. Basically they have no answers but aid the madness by trying to close down debate.

Sensible debate is ok. Wanting to shoot people is not sensible debate

You are a probable facilitator

Absolutely not. I want better and faster processing and returns.

and definitely left. Even if you don't admit or recognise it.

Only left in the centre left/central/centre right area. The left is too far left for me.

That so many right wingers see the centre as left wing repeatedly proves how far to the right they are.

 

[morqthana]

The problem with that though is that the general public don't want to hear the truth.

They want to hear their bias reinforced.

The problem with that though is that this element of the general public does want to hear the truth.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The problem with that though is that this element of the general public does want to hear the truth.

I wish we were told the truth more. Tell me how bad.

But the majority just don't want that, and will vote for populism etc

 

[charliegolf]

Quite so but she’s very guilty of this and it’s much worse that the leak of the OBR document

Would, 'a teensy weeny' bit guilty be better?

 

[blup]

A poll carried out by GBnews

The good old GB news poll. Still if Sooty can become a member of the magic circle anything’s possible

 

[morqthana]

In general, the ones holding 'Refugees Welcome' signs.

Ah - you mean the nice people. People with decent morals. Not the bigots and the haters. OK

When everyone knows they're mostly not genuine refugees.

Everyone doesn't know that.

In fact, nobody "knows" that, because it isn't true. If you want to look at those crossing the channel on small boats, the cohort which seems to agitate the bigots and haters the most, between 2018 and 2024, the asylum grant rate for people who arrived that way was 68%, higher than the grant rate for all asylum applicants.

So the truth is that mostly they are genuine. 7 out of 10 is mostly. But of course it is common for bigots and haters to deny truths which run counter to their prejudices.

Then there's the facilitators, the less honest ones. There are plenty on here. They shout down anyone who wants strong borders and proper control.

They don't. They argue against the bigots and the haters, they are the ones most keen on shouting down, even to the extent of wanting to see people who don't share their views removed from the forum.

They use the R word against anyone who sensibly doesn't want to live in a country that is rapidly changing colour and is being islamified in many ways.

That's because complaining about those highlighted things IS racist. By definition.

They erroneously say that we are against all immigration. They erroneously say that we blame immigrants for all the problems The UK faces. Basically they have no answers but aid the madness by trying to close down debate.

And we all know how keen you are on debating.

That's why whatever name he reappears on the forum with after each ban, I always block him.

 

[SPLINE]

Wanting a decent effective system, is not the same as asking for more

Yes it is.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I don't see

And therein lies the problem.