Metal Tile edging finish appearance

[joe-90]

I get the impression that the OP knew the guy wasn't a real pro - but he was cheap. They used the money they should have spent on the bathroom on a holiday and laughed for a fortnight at the expense of the odd-job man. Well they got caught out didn't they? I doubt the guy was very keen in the first instance but he owed a few favours. I can't say that I have a lot of sympathy for the OP. Sorry, but he paid peanuts.... and he knew he was paying peanuts. Why's he so shocked now?

 

[Goldberg]

Hope these will let you be able to judge better.

The trim is metal and its rounded.

I can't quite tell from the images, but it's possible that the trim has been fitted after the tiles. I've seen this done elsewhere.

Given that the profile of the trim should be like the following:

...can you determine where the trim backing has been put?

Another possible explanation is that the tile trim is the wrong size for the tiles.

Either way it's a poor finish, but you paid a very low price for all the work that you've described.

You can get metal corners:
http://www.protilertools.co.uk/tile-trim-products/196/tile-trim-round-edge-metal-corners

...but there's no guarantee that the metal colour and size will be a good match.

 

[Fast_Muchly]

I get the impression that the OP knew the guy wasn't a real pro - but he was cheap. They used the money they should have spent on the bathroom on a holiday and laughed for a fortnight at the expense of the odd-job man. Well they got caught out didn't they? I doubt the guy was very keen in the first instance but he owed a few favours. I can't say that I have a lot of sympathy for the OP. Sorry, but he paid peanuts.... and he knew he was paying peanuts. Why's he so shocked now?

Im afraid the mind boggles at that

Nope we know the guy i fix quite a few probs for him.So yes he owes us.And yes he is a do a bit of everything type.But has done lots of tiling.

First and formost he got shown what wanted doing.HE GAVE US A PRICE , i expected him to come up with a figure to do a first class job with a bit knocked off for favours i do him .

What the hell has us going off on holiday got to do with anything,apart from you being full off resentmentthat we can go off on holiday while affording a new bathroom at sametime.For your info we aint rich and this is first time we have been able to do anything like this.It was fab i admit being on hol thinking your coming back to a nice bathroom.I REALLY DONT GET YOUR POINT.

You sound rather a bitter twisted individual.I wouldnt want you doing my tiling mate.

i expected a nice job done.Not what looks like a rush job.It was up to him to tell us what needed doing and a price to match.I am paying him for his advice not the other way around.To think Joe you give advice on here is frightning.

Goldberg - i dont get what you quite mean about the backing,as surely there is nowhere the backing can go but behind the tiles.Also thanks for the heads up on pre made corners -that could be an option.

The advice i would appreciate most is where we go on the extra £500 he is owed.He has chipped the bath panel on installing it and cut into it to put the sink waste to the bath waste.There were other options he didnt have to do that.There are no spare tiles in garage.So to put all this right it means out laying more on tiles/equipment -bath panel is £150.Should all this come out of his £500.

What i feel like doing is docking his money to what we have to buy and paying another tiler.But i dont want to be in the wrong here.
But would you now trust the guy to put it right if it was your bathroom.

 

[Fast_Muchly]

To be honest im wanting people to say he has done a decent job believe me,heres a few more pics of what i would say is pretty good.Its only when you start look close at the bit i have shown you in other pics thats bad.
The waste for the sink to go in,why this couldnt go under the floor to the sink waste that was on the other side ,or even thru the wall and around the outside to join into the toilet wast pipe god only knows.He has chosen to cut a nice chunk out of a brand new bathroom panel thats £150 smackers.

Heres a few more pics enjoy .

 

[Goldberg]

Goldberg - i dont get what you quite mean about the backing,as surely there is nowhere the backing can go but behind the tiles.

I've seen tiling jobs where the trim was mistakenly left off and then fitted after the tile adhesive had gone off.

You can achieve this by cutting off the backing. Having done that the trim can be fitted either way around, although most trim is not symettrical in profile so one way will fit better than the other.

It's hard to tell from the images, but it looks suspiciously like that's what's happened.

The advice i would appreciate most is where we go on the extra £500 he is owed.

The principles are:

1. You must pay him all reasonable charges that he makes.

2. He must use reasonable skill and care in doing the job.

3. If there are snags, then you must tell him and give him the opportunity to remedy the problems, at his cost.

4. If he has damaged your goods, then he must compensate you either by replacing them or by reimbursing you to their value.

The rest has already been said - if he claims, in court, for what you owe him, then you can counterclaim for what he owes you.

What i feel like doing is docking his money to what we have to buy and paying another tiler.But i dont want to be in the wrong here.
But would you now trust the guy to put it right if it was your bathroom.[/quote]
I don't know your guy, and what your past relationship is, so I can't say whether or not I would trust him. I don't know why you trusted him before if you feel that he didn't deserve it.

There's no easy way out, but if there's a dispute in the making, then I would negotiate some compromise with the first contractor and then engage someone else to take ownership of the repairs, and pay them what they ask for.

If you find yourself out of pocket then it might be some comfort to you that £1500 was incredibly cheap, and that you've learned a valuable life lesson.

 

[joe-90]

Considering what you paid him I think you got a bargain. Most of it looks OK to me. Tell him to tidy up a few bits and pieces and pay the man - he charged you a THIRD of the going rate. He paid for your holiday.

Look at it this way: You paid £1300 for a £3500 bathroom. Even if you shell out another £500 to get it the way you want it - then you are still quids in.

The waste pipe is just plain silly. Tell him how you want it to run (he probably couldn't run it under the tiles due to the joists).

Tell him to tidy up the grout.

Tell him to file down the sharp edges and ask him to look into those liquid metals/cold solders that you can buy in a tube for a few quid - you can probably fill any gaps with that sort of thing.

It's not worth falling out with a neighbour over a bath panel so YOU buy it.

Think about it. £1300 + £150 doesn't come to much does it?

Waddya reckon?

 

[Fast_Muchly]

Considering what you paid him I think you got a bargain. Most of it looks OK to me. Tell him to tidy up a few bits and pieces and pay the man - he charged you a THIRD of the going rate. He paid for your holiday.

Look at it this way: You paid £1300 for a £3500 bathroom. Even if you shell out another £500 to get it the way you want it - then you are still quids in.

The waste pipe is just plain silly. Tell him how you want it to run (he probably couldn't run it under the tiles due to the joists).

Tell him to tidy up the grout.

Tell him to file down the sharp edges and ask him to look into those liquid metals/cold solders that you can buy in a tube for a few quid - you can probably fill any gaps with that sort of thing.

It's not worth falling out with a neighbour over a bath panel so YOU buy it.

Think about it. £1300 + £150 doesn't come to much does it?

Waddya reckon?

Hmmmm

You have got me thinking and softened me up a bit.

1. I really didnt think that a job like this would cost as much as £3500 - i would have guessed at £1500 to £2000.So its nice to know its been done very very cheap.

2.For that price you can live with some mistakes,but you still want a nice bathroom at the end of the day.Will be very diplomatic on the way i ask for things to be improved if you can be :S .

3.Yes we have paid him £800 we owe a further £500 but there is the question on the bath panel.But we get that bath panel which to you would be £150 but to us as my Mrs works in trade it will be £75.So i take on board what your saying.

Another question would you trust this bloke to put your storage tank in the loft.As the pump we have had fitted for the shower has to be gravity fed and at the moment the storage tank is on the same level.So the tank has got to be put into the loft.Underneath a storage tank in loft should you have a drip/leak tray leading to an overflow just incase the inevitable happens.

 

[jefoss]

how on earth can anyone say from reading this thread that the job would cost £3500 is beyond me!!

 

[lancenotalot]

Mod 4 why did you remove my post??It was there to give the op an idea of what the cost would have been.

Seems to me being a mod has gone to your head,I always post to offer advice to the best of my knowledge.I didnt post anything offensive

 

[jefoss]

mod 4, then i think its about time you spoke to will and had 1 mod for each specialised section, then you can all go and do general also, be less work for you and wouldnt make mistakes then

i for one would like to see lance price list

 

[Fast_Muchly]

In my opinion all parties have tried to help.But yes its plain to see some parties do not like each other and that doesnt help people with problems.

Joe i must admit seems as though he is a very abrasive character and quick to use his tongue.But underneath it all he is looking at both sides of the argument and is genuinely trying to help.

Without causing petty squabbling i really would like to see an estimate for work we have had done please from both parties.

1.removal of old sink,bath,toilet,shower over bath and taking a few old tiles of wall ( i did most ).

2.Fitting new suite all in different position to what they were.This includes spa bath,seperate shower unit,corner toilet but waste going into original waste pipe

3.Fitting under floor heating.

4.Fitting new tiles to halfway round all of bathroom which is 1.8m x 2.4m ,fully tiled to ceiling in shower.

5.Fitting new shower pump in landing storage cupboard for shower.i should add this isnt working because it has to be gravity fed and the storage tank has to be moved into the loft so the pump that works the shower will work ( yet another mistake by installer ) yes i know he is cheap joe lol .

6.Also fitting new RCD where the emertion was for storage tank for new electric supply for bathroom.

PLEASE DONT INCLUDE IN QUOTE -GROUT ,BOARDS FOR FLOORING ,ADHESIVE.

PLEASE INCLUDE -LABOUR,PIPEWORK,ELECTRICS,

also the storage tank cupboard is on the landing and its about 3mtrs away from the center of the bathroom.That gives you an idea on lengths of pipework needed.

Thanks all who have replied.

 

[IJWS15]

3.Fitting under floor heating.


6.Also fitting new RCD where the emertion was for storage tank for new electric supply for bathroom.


PLEASE INCLUDE -LABOUR,PIPEWORK,ELECTRICS,

Now you open a whole new can of worms.

Is your installer a qualified electrician and has he complied with Part P of the building regulations - bathroom is a special location!

 

[Fast_Muchly]

3.Fitting under floor heating.


6.Also fitting new RCD where the emertion was for storage tank for new electric supply for bathroom.


PLEASE INCLUDE -LABOUR,PIPEWORK,ELECTRICS,

Now you open a whole new can of worms.

Is your installer a qualified electrician and has he complied with Part P of the building regulations - bathroom is a special location!

No he isnt.

He got a qualified electrician in to do the work.

 

[jefoss]

not many people in this section can or would do all numbered there.

plus its not right doing quotes from a few pics and what you tell us.

bear in mind other factors into equations for doing work at your or anyones house.

is it a high rise flat?
do you have to pay for parking?
is it a trek to park as no access near house?
congestion charges (if in london obviously)
distance to get there


just a cpl of things that all add to more ££ out of your pocket fella.

 

[jefoss]

Moderator 4
Moderator Comment Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:25 pm Comment:
theres not enough mods to do that jefoss, and were not here 24 hrs a day. I have sent a message to admin about the ongoing problems within this section. We are human as well by the way, so mistakes do sometimes get made.




human eh? there goes my theory

but i also have spoke to admin about the problem. maybe it will get sorted soon enough then!