North Wales Police seek man

[dontbelieveawordofit]

If you have an alternative hypothesis, please elaborate. I'd be interested to hear it.

i’ll just disassemble yours, like you do.

all hail the educated. All racist are poorly educated scumbags. young people are capable of rejecting religion but not racism.
they can clearly see that being religious is ‘wrong’ but don’t have the same capability to analyse racism.
only young people can be influenced negatively, which is of course why adults become so easily groomed by muslim extremists.
one huge contradiction.
muslim racism and hatred of the west is taught in schools in this country and you come on here preaching.

don’t be a nob all your life.

 

[ajohn]

Did the police give this incident any higher priority than any other incident?

The police have been known to be reluctant to hand out crime numbers and may still be. Perhaps it depends on the crime and circumstances. Not had any experiences of late but some time ago some one nicked a couple of pieces of one of my cars and despite asking wasn't given one.

 

[sxturbo]

When racism is prevalent on social media, it encourages some to perpetuate that racism. They want to fit in, they want to be part of the gang, they don't want to be ostracised.

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this can be attributed to all skin colours it is not exclusive to whites.

the rest of the post was just drivel, do these people not have a brain of their own, they were racist because other people were, what a load of tripe. i dont give a hoot who i hang out with or who my parents are, if i feel my peers are doing something that is fundamentally wrong i wont partake and i stand up for the good, its got me into trouble many a time, and i have lost friends because of it.

i don't condone or agree with the current poor me protests, that doesn't make me racist.

if the current protests were about fixing inequalities and making serious change then i would be all for it, and if it were delivered in a well thought out manner with proper proposals and wasn't so singular and divisive to other races/classes etc then again fine, i would likely back it 100%. Unfortunately however the current regime has caused further division and stirred up more hate on both sides which is the opposite to what they "say" they want.

this clown to which the OP posted about deserves to be punished severely for his actions, i commend the old lady for her efforts at turning this negativity into a positive, i think the way she's handled it is exemplary

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

i’ll just disassemble yours, like you do.

all hail the educated. All racist are poorly educated scumbags. young people are capable of rejecting religion but not racism.
they can clearly see that being religious is ‘wrong’ but don’t have the same capability to analyse racism.
only young people can be influenced negatively, which is of course why adults become so easily groomed by muslim extremists.
one huge contradiction.
muslim racism and hatred of the west is taught in schools in this country and you come on here preaching.

don’t be a nob all your life.

If that's your version of an alternative hypothesis, I suggest you look up 'alternative' and 'hypothesis' in the dictionary.
From here it looks just like a rant and some daft statements.
It's hardly worthy of a definition as anything.

Then you cap it all off with a personal insult.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The police have been known to be reluctant to hand out crime numbers and may still be. Perhaps it depends on the crime and circumstances. Not had any experiences of late but some time ago some one nicked a couple of pieces of one of my cars and despite asking wasn't given one.

That doesn't address the question.
Did the police give this incident any higher priority than any other incident?

Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6PhrwOZOZ

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

this can be attributed to all skin colours it is not exclusive to whites.

Not disputed. It can also be attributed to all sorts of ideology, politics, sports, football clubs, hobbies, etc.
Parental and peer influence is that pervasive.

the rest of the post was just drivel,

Thank you for your opinion.

do these people not have a brain of their own, they were racist because other people were, what a load of tripe.

Do you have any alternative hypothesis? How about festive's hypothesis, which kind of agrees with mine, except a bit more vernacular.

Some of them were useless fat wnkers though that the gene pool should just eradicate as they passed on their sh't awful diet and way of life to their kids.

i don't condone or agree with the current poor me protests, that doesn't make me racist.

Your perception of the BLM movement might though.

if the current protests were about fixing inequalities and making serious change then i would be all for it, and if it were delivered in a well thought out manner with proper proposals and wasn't so singular and divisive to other races/classes etc then again fine, i would likely back it 100%.

Have you asked them?

Unfortunately however the current regime has caused further division and stirred up more hate on both sides which is the opposite to what they "say" they want.

I fully agree, 'the current regime', which I assume you are referring to is the current government, and especially the current PM.

this clown to which the OP posted about deserves to be punished severely for his actions, i commend the old lady for her efforts at turning this negativity into a positive, i think the way she's handled it is exemplary

I agree.

 

[sxturbo]

Not disputed. It can also be attributed to all sorts of ideology, politics, sports, football clubs, hobbies, etc.
Parental and peer influence is that pervasive.


Thank you for your opinion.

sorry i was referring to the bbc interview not your post in general


Do you have any alternative hypothesis? How about festive's hypothesis, which kind of agrees with mine, except a bit more vernacular.

I'm not arguing with you on this, i just dont understand how these people dont have a brain of their own, and insist on blaming others for their faults/problems.



Your perception of the BLM movement might though.

not really, as i've said previously the current BLM movement is too divisive, they have no set agenda and is not very well coordinated, unless their intention was to cause division and instil further racial hate than they have succeeded.


Have you asked them? have you? i have read a lot, all newspapers, social media, watched videos and interviews and it's all incoherent. i haven't asked any one in particular because i haven't been in proximity of a pro BLM member to ask.

I fully agree, 'the current regime', which I assume you are referring to is the current government, and especially the current PM. regime i was refering to was the BLM movement that appears to be intent on making themselves superior to all others.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

sorry i was referring to the bbc interview not your post in general
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6Pi0R3xpO

really?

the rest of the post was just drivel,

Which interview were you referring to?

I'm not arguing with you on this, i just dont understand how these people dont have a brain of their own, and insist on blaming others for their faults/problems.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6Pi0j5X4B

It's not about 'having a brain'. It's about most people, especially young, and even more so, the not so enlightened people, the more easily influenced, do not realise the pervasive nature of 'internalisation' -
the action of accepting or absorbing an idea, opinion, belief, etc. so that it becomes part of your character:
Some children are more susceptible to the internalization of parental values and expectations than others.

not really, as i've said previously the current BLM movement is too divisive, they have no set agenda and is not very well coordinated, unless their intention was to cause division and instil further racial hate than they have succeeded.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6Pi1iDFx3

How is it divisive? Do you not think that achieving social equality is an agenda. What agenda do you think they should have?
Do you really believe their objective is to 'cause division and instil further racial hate'?

have you? i have read a lot, all newspapers, social media, watched videos and interviews and it's all incoherent. i haven't asked any one in particular because i haven't been in proximity of a pro BLM member to ask.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6Pi2TWvtI

You can hardly deny that one of their aims is to remove the statues of slave traders and racists, especially those statues that venerate such slave traders and racists.

regime i was refering to was the BLM movement that appears to be intent on making themselves superior to all others.
Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/north-wales-police-seek-man.547169/page-4#ixzz6Pi2sgTPf

So that is your fear? Can it be described as a 'regime' if 'they have no set agenda and is not very well coordinated,'?

 

[ajohn]

Racist feeling from white people generally indicates far right thought processes. Of late anyway. Go back in time and jobs probably came into it significantly and may still do at times.

Go back to The Windrush and the people on it were accepted. More of the same and as far as I know still the same. Then comes politics and a keep Britain white campaign, misunderstood rivers of blood speech and etc result racism from whites even riots. Now we have immigration as a political topic also illegals and refugees. That has widened the field of people who are subjected to racism. Varying numbers of people will be influenced. It doesn't take many to be noticeable. Just the same as people who vandalise things. There aren't many but they exist. People who were referred to as football hooligans are another. A small organised group of fans whose whole idea was to go out and fight. When they did that a small proportion will join in. Same happened with the statue. Very few kitted out people started that and the idea spread elsewhere as well. It only took 1 person to paint a swastika on a garage door.

It's not possible to put that lot down to being poor and lacking a decent education really but a changes in education could make a difference. Not the ones mentioned on the TV last night though - as I see things anyway.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

misunderstood rivers of blood speech

I don't think people misunderstood Enoch's speech. He invented his anecdotal evidence.
This 'evidence' has been disproved by historical data.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/13/row-enoch-powell-plaque-racism-wolverhampton
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/popularity-enoch-powell-racist-speech-180419160459434.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/...igure-still-haunts-british-politics-1.4116639
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/onl...iberalism-right-wing-populism-rivers-of-blood

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

If that's your version of an alternative hypothesis, I suggest you look up 'alternative' and 'hypothesis' in the dictionary.
From here it looks just like a rant and some daft statements.
It's hardly worthy of a definition as anything.

Then you cap it all off with a personal insult.

As I said I’ll just pull yours to bits. I’m not educated enough to second guess the human mind or it’s behaviour. Each of your posts include glaringly obvious contradictions and basic information errors. your only opinion is often conflicted with the other you and it’s evident from your posts that you don’t really have an educated opinion on anything , rather, you re-iterate facts and figures plagiarised from various internet sources.
as for the personal insult , it’s the one you sent me two days ago, only in your case it should be received as a compliment.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

i’ll just disassemble yours, like you do.

As I said I’ll just pull yours to bits.

I'm still waiting.
All you've done so far is to resort to ranting and personal insults.

 

[sxturbo]

really?

Which interview were you referring to?



It's not about 'having a brain'. It's about most people, especially young, and even more so, the not so enlightened people, the more easily influenced, do not realise the pervasive nature of 'internalisation' -
the action of accepting or absorbing an idea, opinion, belief, etc. so that it becomes part of your character:
Some children are more susceptible to the internalization of parental values and expectations than others.



How is it divisive? Do you not think that achieving social equality is an agenda. What agenda do you think they should have?
Do you really believe their objective is to 'cause division and instil further racial hate'?



You can hardly deny that one of their aims is to remove the statues of slave traders and racists, especially those statues that venerate such slave traders and racists.



So that is your fear? Can it be described as a 'regime' if 'they have no set agenda and is not very well coordinated,'?

you posted an excerpt from a bbc article where white people were describing themselves as racist because there mates were and their parents might have been. wrong is wrong, whether other people do it, doesn't make an ounce of difference it's still wrong. if their mates and parents liked putting their heads into hot ovens would they then do this also? it's just such a stupid excuse, they are blaming other people for their own behaviour but using it to exonerate themselves.

why not just turn round and say yeah i was a bit of a C**T actually and i was wrong.

from what i have read and seen, yes further division has been made by the way the protests/riots have been conducted, throughout my workplace and friends and family whom i have been in verbal contact with, i haven't heard anyone in agreement with it yet, and they are not all white, my employer is equal rights and we have people from all races working for us. Everyone agrees that racism is wrong and further can be done to improve things, but none of them agree with BLM, i've had people try and distance themselves from it even.

their agenda appears to be equality, however they also appear to be hypocrites in the message they are sending and in the way they are acting, to gain respect you must respect others, this appears to not be the case in how they conduct themselves.

the whole statues thing is another post in its own right, its so utterly stupid and misinformed its beyond a joke. Unless your the guardian newspaper than history has to be vetted to 21st century morals..

lastly, there is no fear from me, and i haven't mentioned nor have i implied this, your imagination made this up, i am discussing appearance from what is said, there does appear to be an underlying rhetoric (mainly in america) that is similar to colonialism of old.

 

[ajohn]

I don't think people misunderstood Enoch's speech. He invented his anecdotal evidence.
This 'evidence' has been disproved by historical data

He made a poor choice of words. Thanks to racism always mostly being a low level thing true no rivers of blood. He still essentially had the same view as politics when the Windrush arrived. A view that coloured people can not merge with the general white population as white immigrants can and that eventually this will cause problems. There are other aspect as well. Proportions of the population. Different ways of life and beliefs etc.

Much of it is crap as further generations tend to become what I would call anglicised. You might say then have the same problems as the rest of us. It just takes a while and tends to happen when living standards improve. How many kids can I afford etc. Older people are supported in different ways in some societies or in some cases the entire family even if only one is working.

The treatment of The Windrush people is when things started to go wrong for coloured immigrants. The UK wanted skilled people as they called them to help rebuild the UK. They all came here to work and some had the skills that were wanted but they were ignored. Results, ending up in low paid jobs. One in the documentary I mentioned said I didn't care. I became a decorator working for myself. A lot of immigrants have been treated the same way. Cheaper housing, even resulting in house prices going down in some areas and people in low paid jobs. It applies less and less these days but job filling one way or the other has figured in immigration for some time now. A change. The interesting aspect is that the majority of them come here to work. Part of me feels from observations that they are often more prepared to do just that when they do get a job - work what ever it is.

As an aside but pertinent. My father would see himself as middle class. I'd say lower middle class. A single statement in a Tory manifesto meant he would only ever vote labour. That statement went along the lines that 1,000,000 unemployed was desirable as it meant a more "mobile" labour force. It also has the effect of controlling wages. This at a time when unemployment was extremely low and just in or out of real full time jobs. I think immigration has been used to create this situation at times - cheap labour. Jobs Brits no longer want. This can't have helped. Loose loads of jobs in the lower middling wage groups and things get worse.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

you posted an excerpt from a bbc article where white people were describing themselves as racist because there mates were and their parents might have been. wrong is wrong, whether other people do it, doesn't make an ounce of difference it's still wrong. if their mates and parents liked putting their heads into hot ovens would they then do this also? it's just such a stupid excuse, they are blaming other people for their own behaviour but using it to exonerate themselves.

why not just turn round and say yeah i was a bit of a C**T actually and i was wrong.

They are not blaming other people. They are admitting that they were wrong, and recognising the influences in their lives.
Most would laud them for their openness and enlightenment. You think they are stupid.
As to your head sin ovens comment. It's a resort to ad absurdum argument.

... throughout my workplace and friends and family whom i have been in verbal contact with, i haven't heard anyone in agreement with it yet, and they are not all white, my employer is equal rights and we have people from all races working for us. Everyone agrees that racism is wrong and further can be done to improve things, but none of them agree with BLM, i've had people try and distance themselves from it even.

And you deny the influence of others? Isn't this a perfect example of influence from others. They think the way they do, and you think they must be right, because you agree with them? Herd mentality in action?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_...b mentality and,, rather than rational, basis.
But you think it doesn't exist.

their agenda appears to be equality, however they also appear to be hypocrites in the message they are sending and in the way they are acting, to gain respect you must respect others, this appears to not be the case in how they conduct themselves.

the whole statues thing is another post in its own right, its so utterly stupid and misinformed its beyond a joke. Unless your the guardian newspaper than history has to be vetted to 21st century morals..

You are quite vitriolic about your opinion of the BLM movement.
Do you not think there is a severe need for greater equality, or is everything hunky-dory?

there does appear to be an underlying rhetoric (mainly in america) that is similar to colonialism of old.

Those statues, which era do most of them refer to?