Outdoor socket under a "lean to"

[Kidda501]

Hi,

I am having a glass roof installed that will connect to the back of my house on the long side, and the garage and kitchen on the other 2 sides. The projection of the roof is about 3m from the house.

I want to add some sockets and lights with the help of an electrician.

Using IP65, IP66 sockets seems like an overkill to me. The nearest water is 3.5m away, and the sockets would be a the roof apex, so the water/rain would have to go upwards anyway.

What are the regulations for this? To me is seems like they only have to be protected from condensation and spiders.

Any advice?

Thanks.

 

[deadshort]

Hi, no not overkill at all as there will be moisture and condensation, you would just have to replace 'normal' plastic or metal after a year, do it right ! And remember all sockets require RCD protection. You're electrician will advise.

Kind regards,

DS

 

[Halitosis]

For the sake of a few quid, be safe. Also non-compliance will present problems if/when you try to sell the house

 

[Kidda501]

Thanks DS,

I was hoping to have some kind of compartmentalised dado trunking along the apex of the roof. That way I could have mains and low voltage cables in the same trunking. Then I could have sockets where I need them for lights etc. I have other outdoor sockets that I use for pressure washers etc. I was hoping for a more "indoor" feel rather than large ugly sockets.

But as you say, it needs to be done properly!

Keith

 

[Simon35]

Thanks DS,

I was hoping to have some kind of compartmentalised dado trunking along the apex of the roof. That way I could have mains and low voltage cables in the same trunking. Then I could have sockets where I need them for lights etc. I have other outdoor sockets that I use for pressure washers etc. I was hoping for a more "indoor" feel rather than large ugly sockets.

But as you say, it needs to be done properly!

Keith

....pedant alert...mains is low voltage

 

[deadshort]

Ye, not when you're dancing with it !

Selv

DS

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I am having a glass roof installed that will connect to the back of my house on the long side, and the garage and kitchen on the other 2 sides. The projection of the roof is about 3m from the house.

Will you need Planning Permission for that?

What will the area be?

Any conservation area/listed building concerns?

I was hoping for a more "indoor" feel rather than large ugly sockets.

You say that, yet you seem to think that fixed lighting permanently plugged into roof/ceiling sockets isn't ugly.

 

[Kidda501]

Will you need Planning Permission for that?

What will the area be?

Any conservation area/listed building concerns?

You say that, yet you seem to think that fixed lighting permanently plugged into roof/ceiling sockets isn't ugly.

The dimensions are approx. 7.5m wide and 3.5m deep. A conservatory company are taking care of it for me. They say planning permission is not needed, and I assume they will conform with building regs. It is basically a conservatory roof connected to existing brickwork on 3 sides. House is only 10yrs old, not listed.

i don't want to use indoor pendants etc. My current line of thinking is to have 3m LED lights strips that stick to the upvc. The amount of these strips will depend on how bright they are. I am not sure I will know many I will have until it is built. I also thought about something like fairy lights. So with this in mind, I kind of thought about having some white dado trunking sat just beneath where the upvc fixes to the wall. I could then decide on how many sockets I needed. I didn't really want lots of big waterproof sockets all over the place. But I guess that is what I will end up with.

I will also need to connect 2 x 1.5kw heaters. But that is a different conversation I guess.

Keith

 

[flameport]

If the sockets are just for LED lights, then you don't need sockets at all - fit the dado trunking and put one or more LED drivers inside it, with one or more switches in appropriate locations.

If one end is open to the outside, any form of heating will just throw money away - heating the outdoors does not work.

 

[Kidda501]

Thanks, I like the idea of keeping all the messy led drivers and wiring in the trunking. I could then just have a couple sockets.

Yeah heating will be expensive, i was thinking of a couple of Quartz heaters to best the person not the air. They seem fairly effective. It would be nice to sit out a little longer in the evenings.

Keith

 

[ban-all-sheds]

What would be nice, for other people who have to share the planet with you, would be for you to abandon the disgustingly antisocial idea of using heating outside. If it gets too chilly for you then either go indoors or put on some warmer clothing.

 

[EightyTwo]

If it gets too chilly for you then either go indoors or put on some warmer clothing.

Unless you're a smoker... You are creating something like a pub smoking shelter!

If you go down the fairy light route, I suggest that you pay good money for proper kit and don't buy 1000 LEDs for £7.99 from China, on eBay. Tempting though it is, they won't last (says the man who lost a couple of thousand Christmas lights last year - and they're only up for five weeks...).

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Unless you're a smoker... You are creating something like a pub smoking shelter!

Time they banned the heating of those.

And, BTW, I say that even though I have been known to use those areas.

 

[Kidda501]

I am hoping it will look like a smaller version of this, and not a smoking shelter.

I wea hoping for some advice on electrical installation, not saving the planet. And I like sitting outside, but I get to sit in an office all day So delaying coming inside for an hour seems like a good idea to me. But each to their own.

Thanks,

Keith

 

[sparkwright]

Kind regards,

DS

I think he's taking the mickey out of you-know-who...