Part P notification from April 2013

[flameport]

From the end of this thread, just what will be the point of the Part P schemes from April?

The new list of notifiable work is in the new Approved Document, http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf
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• flameport
• 7 Mar 2013
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and only includes consumer units, new circuits and work inside the zones in a bathroom.

In reality, most items in a bathroom won't be notifiable, as lights would typically be above 2.25m and other items such as illuminated mirrors, towel rails or shaver sockets are likely to be more than 60cm from the bath, which really only leaves electric showers and possibly some extractor fans.
Replacing existing items like electric showers won't be notifiable either, as that won't involve any addition or alteration to the existing circuit.

So unless your main line of work happens to be replacing consumer units or you have lots of customers who want complete new circuits installing, the point of paying for membership of a scheme is what exactly?
New build and extensions to existing properties are irrelevant, as they will be notified via LABC anyway, just as they are now.

For those that are members of a scheme, go and look at say the last 20 jobs you notified, and see how many of them would be notifiable under the new rules.

 

[Iggifer]

you would expect the schemes membership fees to decrease


but I doubt it

 

[Chri5]

3.8 If an installer is not a registered competent person and has not appointed a registered third-party certifier, then before work begins the installer must notify a building control body.

3.9 The building control body will determine the extent of inspection and testing needed for it to establish that the work is safe, based on the nature of the electrical work and the competence
of the installer. The building control body may choose to carry out any necessary inspection and testing itself, or it may contract a specialist to carry out some or all of the work and furnish it with an electrical installation condition report.

3.10 An installer who is competent to carry out inspection and testing should give the appropriate
BS 7671 certificate to the building control body, who will then take the certificate and the installer’s qualifications into account in deciding what further action, if any, it needs to take. Building control bodies may ask installers for evidence of their qualifications.

3.11 This can result in a lower building control charge as,when a setting its charge,a local authority is required by the Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010 to take account of the amount of inspection work that it considers it will need to carry out.

3.12 Once the building control body has decided that, as far as can be ascertained, the work meets all Building Regulations requirements, it will issue to the occupier a Building Regulations completion certificate (if a local authority) or a final certificate (if an approved inspector).

That's quite interesting, sounds like you could end up being known by BC and then the fees are dropped or at least under negotiation.

Might be another reason not to register if you work the same area.

 

[flameport]

Can't see membership fees decreasing, as a large part will pay for the annual inspection visit, which would be the same regardless of the work looked at.

The third party certifier is probably a no-go as well - due to the tiny amount of items which will require notification, plus the general ignorance among the general public as to the need to notify anything, the potential market for such a service must be very small indeed.

 

[ricicle]

In fact I think the fees will increase if you wish to register under the extra, additional, guise of a third party certifier !

 

[SaladFingers]

This third party certifier will die on its arse with the new much needed changes to notification.

Notification hasn't changed the standard of work, is difficult to police and it was about time to relax rules over what you can do in your own home without letting all and sundry know.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Notification hasn't changed the standard of work, is difficult to police and it was about time to relax rules over what you can do in your own home without letting all and sundry know.

The likelihood is, it will not always be your own home!
From a personal perspective, I would make everything notifiable!

 

[sparkybird]

Crazy!

Most of my work will still be notifiable, so I'll be sticking with NICEY

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Crazy!

Indeed, I can't see a great deal changing, with regards to the association between house owners and electrical compliance.

 

[17thman]

I agree with sparky bird and prentice boy. but the B and Q kitchen fitters will have a licence to f>?k up a lot of installations.

 

[Scoby_Beasley]

You've just got to search for posts by DeludedAussie to see that Part P has no basis now, let alone in the future.

There we have a fella that believes a 10Ax switch has a 10 amp fuse in and overnight becomes an expert in wiring in 1kw of downlights, and the next day is querying external lights.

 

[ericmark]

Is this nation wide or just England? I did read England only and here in Wales no change.

 

[ricicle]

I agree with sparky bird and prentice boy. but the B and Q kitchen fitters will have a licence to f>?k up a lot of installations.

Just the same as ever then really....

 

[bernardgreen]

Two comments from a time served and now retired electrician

Relaxing part P will reduce the amount of rip off merchants adding a percentage to cover the costs they incur to be qualified as Part P electricians

I know there are no Part P specific qualifications but the general public don't and some cowboy "electricians" have used Part P to justify increased prices.

He did the rewire but had to use a Part P man to do the kitchen wiring and this man was expensive to employ

 

[ericmark]

I have read with interest the comments about now Part P is to up-grade to BS7671:2008 Amendment 1. This means that before April and in Wales to comply with Part P we must still comply with BS7671:2004? So does that mean in Wales we still need to bond in the bathroom?

I had assumed when BS7671:2008 came out it automatically was up-grading the Part P. But reading that seems I was wrong!

I felt Part P was used to stop house holders from complaining about sub-standard work. Heard it so many times. He did the work cheap as long as I didn't want the Part P thing. It plan and simple did not work.

OK I agree it got rid of the kitchen fitters DIY work in the main, and to me that was the whole point of it. A utility room has large current using equipment and water and was not notifiable. How having a food preparation area made it more dangerous to a utility room I don't know.

What Part P did was to cause work to be hidden like the smugglers of yesteryear and US prohibition is fostered an underground work force.