Pendant Ceiling Light Wiring

[JudyR]

I have bought a metal pendant light fitting with a bracket and two core wiring screwed into a connector - how do I connect it to the ceiling rose?

 

[pete01]

Post a picture of the existing ceiling rose.

 

[JudyR]

With two lengths of blue and brown wire?

 

[blup]

Probably safest to put up a pic but if the core is the pendant wiring, the brown wire to the part of the roses marked line, the blue to neutral. If it’s metal rather than metal effect it should be earthed as well.

 

[JudyR]

The existing ceiling rose and the new fitting

 

[JudyR]

It is metal, but the fitting has a square in a square symbol, so I think it's double insulated.

 

[pete01]

You'll have to put all the connections in a junction box above in the ceiling and drop a 2 core flex into the light.
Also it has to be connected in the connector block/case supplied to keep the class 2 rating.

 

[JudyR]

Thank you! Blimey I thought it would be easy, apparently not.

 

[pete01]

To be honest I think those type of fittings are a pain and only really any good if you have just 1 cable at the light which most people don't.

 

[pete01]

Thank you! Blimey I thought it would be easy, apparently not.

They are a pain, if you get a light that has an earth terminal you can then do the connections inside the light cover, that's what I would do if it was me.

 

[RandomGrinch]

You'll have to put all the connections in a junction box above in the ceiling and drop a 2 core flex into the light.
Also it has to be connected in the connector block/case supplied to keep the class 2 rating.

Was writing the same thing!

I would/have used Greenbrook lighting connectors for similar situations.

Greenbrook Lighting Connector

A 3-pole 20A lighting connector for quick and efficient fitting of multiple downlights and lighting fixtures. With its simple lock-and-release system, it's so easy to wire up and connect - and just as easy to disconnect when maintenance is required. Suitable for a wide variety of connecting...

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The large connector has a loop terminal for the three reds.
The plug in connector can join straight onto the pendant wiring, maintaining the double insulation.
The only caveat, is a slightly larger hole in the ceiling may be needed to poke the connector up through.
They are also really useful for heavy fittings on high ceilings where you don't want to be balancing it on your head and connecting up terminals!

 

[JudyR]

Thanks for your advice

 

[Adam_151]

To be honest I think those type of fittings are a pain and only really any good if you have just 1 cable at the light which most people don't.

I don't understand why they have become so prevelent over the last few years... surely there can't be that many installations with pre 14th edition unearthed lighting circuits to justify them, of course there are some, but there were a lot more in the years before these things existed.

I Wonder if the standards would allow for a fitting that can be either class 1 or class 2 depending on whats needed at installation. Cores through the fitting with re-inforced insulation, the metal base having a spade terminal and a supplied earth link, but also supplied with one of those fiddly boxes, but bigger, and instructions requiring the use of one or the other and an appropiate label to apply to the fitting.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't understand why they have become so prevelent over the last few years... surely there can't be that many installations with pre 14th edition unearthed lighting circuits to justify them, of course there are some, but there were a lot more in the years before these things existed.

Class 2 is considered safer - so presumably Class 1 is "potentially dangerous" (re: EICR thread).

I Wonder if the standards would allow for a fitting that can be either class 1 or class 2 depending on whats needed at installation.

What would be the point?

 

[pete01]

I don't understand why they have become so prevelent over the last few years...

No idea, maybe to do with new builds as all the gubbins at the switch and 1 wire at the light (normally)