Electric regulations wise OK, Welsh Part P technically depends who made the extension lead, if bought pre made OK, if you have made it and fasten it to the wall in the kitchen then it needs notifying. I think one would be crazy to do so, but as the law was written by the English and inherited by the Welsh a kitchen is a special location so anything fixed needs notifying.When does an extension lead cease being an extension lead ?
If I mount a 2 gang box/socket on a wall, run a flex to this box from a three point plug, and had this plugged into a ring main, would that be acceptable ?
Quite. Despite any discussions about regulations and laws, this is a situation in which, at least in my opinion, common sense should prevail!Yes the only difference is you are clipping the cable to a wall, probably much safer than trailing across a floor
Quite apart from the fact that (as you say) to notify such 'work' would be crazy, although the English initially wrote the laws about notification, some 8 years later they considerably relaxed (in some cases, 'rationalised') the requirements but, for whatever reason, the Welsh chose not to 'inherit' those changes - so you can't really blame the English (after 2013).... if you have made it and fasten it to the wall in the kitchen then it needs notifying. I think one would be crazy to do so, but as the law was written by the English and inherited by the Welsh a kitchen is a special location so anything fixed needs notifying.
Hear Hear! This could now get political!............................................. The 2005 regulations were brought in by Labour, the 2013 relaxations (almost abandonment) of the regulations by the Conservatives. I wonder which party holds the Senedd???????? Yes, that's right, Labour. Perhaps this may give a clue as to why the Senedd did not relax the rules at the same time.Quite apart from the fact that (as you say) to notify such 'work' would be crazy, although the English initially wrote the laws about notification, some 8 years later they considerably relaxed (in some cases, 'rationalised') the requirements but, for whatever reason, the Welsh chose not to 'inherit' those changes - so you can't really blame the English (after 2013).
Kind Regards, John
Interesting thought, and you could be right.Hear Hear! This could now get political!............................................. The 2005 regulations were brought in by Labour, the 2013 relaxations (almost abandonment) of the regulations by the Conservatives. I wonder which party holds the Senedd???????? Yes, that's right, Labour. Perhaps this may give a clue as to why the Senedd did not relax the rules at the same time.
I did, post #4, "this would be in Scotland"Since [B]@Munroast does not care to say where they live,[/B] we need to make aware there are different rules. As to Wales not removing the requirement, it could be simply down to not getting around to it, there is a language problem in Wales, all laws must also be published in Welsh, including anything refereed to in the laws, and as yet not seen a copy of BS7671 in Welsh, so to redo the English law is not that easy.
BS7671 is nothing to do with law, so it doesn't matter whether or not it is available in Welsh, does it?As to Wales not removing the requirement, it could be simply down to not getting around to it, there is a language problem in Wales, all laws must also be published in Welsh, including anything refereed to in the laws, and as yet not seen a copy of BS7671 in Welsh, so to redo the English law is not that easy.
That seems very logical and reasonable. However, what I would suggest is probably not "logical and reasonable" is that, in Wales, addition of just one cable clip (may to reduce trip hazards) might change everything in a manner that has appreciable financial implications!... A 4 way socket extention lead 'hanging' on screws in keyhole slots (ie lift offable) and plugged into a socket with no cable clips etc would be portable, even if never removed, in my opinion.
Assuming the workshop can be considered a "non-residential building", and not accessible to the public, then most electrical work does not require notification or building warrant. It would be good practice to have strain relief on the flex entering the box.I know not of the electrical rules in Scotland
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