Pint of Beer

[securespark]

Spline...Have you drunk much Real ale?

Real ale is naturally carbonated through secondary fermentation without the use of CO₂, so doesn't have the same head as a commercially prepared pint.

While we're on that topic, Northern pubs often use an attachment to make the head thick, whereas in the South, this is usually not used. This gives a less dense looking head.

 

[securespark]

I remember them, but were they used for real ales or only canister?

TBH, I only remember them being used for Boddingtons itself. They may have been used for other beers, though.

 

[JohnD]

TBH, I only remember them being used for Boddingtons itself. They may have been used for other beers, though.

Used to be called a Beer Engine. I've seen them in various parts north, including County Durham and Cumbria.

 

[SPLINE]

Does that fit in with your population replacement agenda?

You are right SS, Boddies ended before Blair started his population replacement program. PR is one of the many causes of the decline of pubs. If an area becomes populated with non-drinking immigrants, pubs will shut down. Lately, many former pubs have been converted (badly, usually) into HMOs for the replacements.

Spline...Have you drunk much Real ale?

Yes, I only drink real ale, although I'm virtually teetotal nowadays.

Real ale is naturally carbonated through secondary fermentation without the use of CO₂, so doesn't have the same head as a commercially prepared pint.

While we're on that topic, Northern pubs often use an attachment to make the head thick, whereas in the South, this is usually not used. This gives a less dense looking head.

So what?

 

[securespark]

Been to many a beer festival and drunk many a pint without a head and they have been some of the best beers I've ever tasted.

 

[JohnD]

So what?

Because this is a thread about what you get, when you pay for a pint of beer.

It is not a thread for you to disseminate your ethnic and racist hatred.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Back when I were a barman, the Tetleys hand-pump dispensed a quarter of a pint per pull. Not measured, but it did. So roughly 4 pulls per pint, but you judged it rather than counting. Back then, you over-flowed the glass until you saw the cloudy yellow bubbly liquid rather than white froth. This then settled out into a lovely 5-10mm of smooth head on the top, nobody ever asked for a top-up.

But nowadays they only carry on filling until the froth reaches the top, which is a con. But there are reasons for this. For one, the overheads of pubs are huge, so they're forced to steal from customers or go bust.

But also back in my day, every hour or so the landlord walked along the bar with a big stainless bucket. He tipped the drip-trays of all bitters and lagers into this - everything other than guinness and cider. Then this bucket was poured into the Tetleys barrel. So you could overflow a glass as much as you liked, it didn't cost anything as nothing got chucked away. This was back in the day when customers would give you back their spit-filled glass they'd been handling after going for a pee and not washing their hands and you'd refill it. Probably after going for a pee and smoking a ciggy. It was disgusting really, but to be honest that pub had the loveliest pint of Tetleys I've ever known. All the drip trays went in the glass-washer at the end of the night, so they were clean each day.

But I'm sure that what happened then is definitely illegal now. I haven't even seen a pub refilling a glass for years now, probably all banned. So I'm sure that recycling the drip trays will be illegal too. It possibly was back then anyway, but it happened.

So every drip of froth that overflows the glass is a loss to that pub now.

 

[Highway Man]

Back when I were a barman, the Tetleys hand-pump dispensed a quarter of a pint per pull. Not measured, but it did. So roughly 4 pulls per pint, but you judged it rather than counting. Back then, you over-flowed the glass until you saw the cloudy yellow bubbly liquid rather than white froth. This then settled out into a lovely 5-10mm of smooth head on the top, nobody ever asked for a top-up.

But nowadays they only carry on filling until the froth reaches the top, which is a con. But there are reasons for this. For one, the overheads of pubs are huge, so they're forced to steal from customers or go bust.

But also back in my day, every hour or so the landlord walked along the bar with a big stainless bucket. He tipped the drip-trays of all bitters and lagers into this - everything other than guinness and cider. Then this bucket was poured into the Tetleys barrel. So you could overflow a glass as much as you liked, it didn't cost anything as nothing got chucked away. This was back in the day when customers would give you back their spit-filled glass they'd been handling after going for a pee and not washing their hands and you'd refill it. Probably after going for a pee and smoking a ciggy. It was disgusting really, but to be honest that pub had the loveliest pint of Tetleys I've ever known. All the drip trays went in the glass-washer at the end of the night, so they were clean each day.

But I'm sure that what happened then is definitely illegal now. I haven't even seen a pub refilling a glass for years now, probably all banned. So I'm sure that recycling the drip trays will be illegal too. It possibly was back then anyway, but it happened.

So every drip of froth that overflows the glass is a loss to that pub now.

Slops of guiness was put into mild and slops of mild was put back into mild,. It was filtered in but was banned under food hygene rules. A good mild was made by the guiness slops. Lager is always thrown as it is in sealed barrels and you don't take the pressurised keg top off or it kills the lager.

 

[fixitflav]

TBH, I only remember them being used for Boddingtons itself. They may have been used for other beers, though.

Various beers I think. I lived in the midlands at the time and never saw Boddy.

 

[JohnD]

they're forced to steal from customers or go bust.

The special glasses to facilitate this seem only to be found in Northern England.

 

[fixitflav]

The special glasses to facilitate this seem only to be found in Northern England.

I'd still rather pay northern price for just under a pint than London price for a full one.

 

[JohnD]

I don't live in London currently, but the punters here would be shocked to pay the beer price for froth.

 

[fixitflav]

I don't live in London currently

I can see that from your flag!

the punters here would be shocked to pay the beer price for froth.

The price per actual pint is still quite a lot cheaper up north.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

The price per actual pint is still quite a lot cheaper up north.

"Cheaper" is a bit of a stretch!

It still costs around £10 a litre for what's over 90% tap water, made in the UK.

Petrol and Diesel comes from the other end of the world, is also massively taxed but costs about 80% less.

But most of the cost of a pint covers the running costs of the pub, not the cost of the beer. Staff, heating, taxes etc. All fixed costs. Which is why Wetherspoons can sell for less - their overheads are divided between many more customers.

 

[fixitflav]

"Cheaper" is a bit of a stretch!

It still costs around £10 a litre for what's over 90% tap water, made in the UK.

Petrol and Diesel comes from the other end of the world, is also massively taxed but costs about 80% less.

But most of the cost of a pint covers the running costs of the pub, not the cost of the beer. Staff, heating, taxes etc. All fixed costs. Which is why Wetherspoons can sell for less - their overheads are divided between many more customers.

Perhaps I should have said "less expensive"!

Agreed, in terms of MJ/£, hydrocarbons beat alcoholic drinks hands down. But both are taxed to within an inch of their lives.