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Problem with shorter Geberit frame?

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by Milleniumaire, 5 Jun 2019.

  1. Milleniumaire

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    Hi,

    As part of a bathroom refurbishment, I've just received delivery of a Geberit Duofix frame with Omega 120mm cistern. I went for the 98cm high frame (part 111.031.00.1) because a stud wall with a shelf will be built at around 105cm high to accommodate this frame.

    However, I've just realised that with a frame this size, it is likely that when the toilet seat is opened it will rest against the flush plate, in fact it may not be possible to use the flush plate without closing the toilet seat!

    I realise this depends on the size of the toilet and therefore the length of the toilet seat, but we are probably going to go for a Duravit ME by Starck compact toilet, which is 48cm deep (out from the wall), so the seat will be a similar size, if not slightly shorter.

    The issue of the seat resting against the flush plate isn't something I had considered and probably wouldn't have been an issue if I had gone for the standard Geberit Sigma 112cm frame, but this would have required the shelf of the stud wall to be much higher than I wanted!

    Does anyone have any experience of installing Geberit frames? Am I correct in my assumption due to choosing the smaller 98cm frame, rather than the standard 112cm frame?

    I guess I could try to find a "shorter" toilet, but I'm not sure how short it would have to be for the seat not to rest against the flush plate when in the open position.
     
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    seat will always foul the plate with these models. You can put the flush plate on the top of these frames aswell as front
     
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    Thanks sjmac. I had considered putting the plate on top of the shelf, but for some reason, they've designed it so it requires a lot of extra space between the frame and the wall i.e. the whole frame needs to be moved away from the wall to accommodate the flush plate assembly. This then results in a much deeper shelf, which is something else I was trying to avoid.

    Wish I'd considered this before buying the frame as having a higher shelf on the stud wall would be preferable to having a deeper stud wall, which in itself is better than having the toilet seat rest against the flush plate!

    I can see I'm going to be sending this frame back and exchanging it!
     
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    You can get a conversion kit to change to pneumatic round button leaving access to cistern via shelf above. The button can be sited anywhere in front panel to avoid seat
     
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    That's an interesting idea. Just searched for the remote flush button and found them at around £70 for a type 10, so not a bad price, or so I thought! Also watched a video on how to install them and realised you also have to change part of the flushing mechanism inside the cistern, but can't seem to find this anywhere! No doubt that will add a considerable amount to the cost of using one of these remote plates. The Geberit website really is very poor.
     
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    According to the Geberit website "Geberit remote flush actuation Omega70 is no bigger than a smart phone and is activated using only sight pressure". I assume you have to stare really hard at it :D Shoddy website (as I've already mentioned).
     
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    That link shows the flush plate (for furniture), which is what I have found on a number of sellers websites. According to the video, a couple of tubes connect into the back of this, then have to be connected to a "new" device that replaces the standard cistern flush mechanism. This new device allows the other end of the tubes to be connected. I'm at a loss to find this different cistern flush mechanism on any website, including Geberit's. Unfortunately the web page you provided doesn't even list what you get with this and simply provides a few pictures, but I suspect there are other parts that would also need to be purchased, but I hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Scope of delivery - Actuator (the button), hose, Pneumatic flushing device (the internal adaptor for the flush valve), Fastening material (the backnut).

    The "Pneumatic flushing device" replaces the top part of the flush valve, not the whole valve
     
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    It does appear to include everything as you say. The instructions also show the flushing device, so it would seem my solution is to send back the Omega 20 flush plate and purchase one of these remote flush plates instead.

    Thanks for the pointer sjmac.
     
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    Toilet seat is intended to cover the flush plate when up as it encourages users to put the lid and seat down after use :)
     
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    Seat should be down when toilet is flushed. Flushing with the seat up puts a fine aerosol of water particles into the air carrying faecal bacteria around the room which settles on everything including your toothbrush.
     
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    Interesting thoughts regarding putting the toilet lid down. I confess, I can't remember ever seeing any of the toilet lids being down in our home, especially when my three boys lived at home. Toilet seat yes, toilet lid no!

    The new toilet will be rimless and I did wonder if there's more chance of water escaping during flushing as a result of there being no rim.

    Having reached the age of 55 while brushing my teeth with a faecal covered toothbrush, I'm not overly concerned about the health issues of not closing the toilet lid. I'm more concerned about how/if the open toilet lid will mark the finish of the flush plate. I kind of like the idea of the seat being down when not in use, but it just feels like bad design to have the toilet seat covering/resting against the flush plate, even if only while the toilet is being used.
     
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    It is what it is! :)
     
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