SSE permit registered electricians to cut the seals and draw the fuse.
Nope. They just allow it (if registered with CPS) and then go to reseal.That is registered by and with SSE to do this task and I think after some training.SSE permit registered electricians to cut the seals and draw the fuse.
Nope. They just allow it (if registered with CPS) and then go to reseal.
That's correct. I have never cut meter seals.It only applies to cut-out seals, not meters.
Indeed - it's a pretty 'tame' question which has been posed, presumably a least partially because the result was so predictable.It's not just the real world and I don't think the result was ever going to be in doubt.
Indeed. It would probably have been more interesting if the question had asked about seal cutting and fuse drawing by those who did not have permisssion so to do.IFor a start, it is a fact that SSE permit registered electricians to cut the seals and draw the fuse.
I agree totally. That's why I wrote:However, this is not the same as DP's admission of NOT being registered and working as he has stated which is actually against the law. Whether this admission is regarded as 'honest' is a irrelevant as I would call it 'irresponsible' on a public forum. We may all do things we shouldn't and/or take short cuts but advising others to do the same is not the thing to do.
I feel sure that DP is far from being alone in respect to these other things (other than breaking seals and pulling fuses) to which he has 'confessed', but some things are best not actually said, particularly not in 'public'. We would/should never suggest to anyone here (electrician or non-electrician) that it is acceptable to undertake notifiable work without notifying it, or that a self-certifying electrician should certify work that has not been essentially 'all their own work' - but we all know 'what goes on' in the aforementioned 'real world', and tacitly pretend that we 'do not know'....I'm sure that many/most of us do know what goes on in the real world, but perhaps some things are best not actually said, particularly in a public 'DIY' forum. Although obviously not applicable to yourself, I'm also sure that there are things that some self-certifying electricians do in the real world (by virtue of being able to 'self-certify') that they would not want to talk about here.
Obviously not, but that is clearly a very different matter. We are talking about someone who appears to genuinely believe that the work has been undertaken satisfactorily and safely, that no-one has been harmed or put at risk, and that the only 'crime' is the 'bureaucratic' one of failing to notify.Would an admission that you/he had killed your/his wife, and not yet been caught, be regarded in the same way?
Ah. Good point, I had overlooked that aspect of it (due to 'just' self-certifying anyway, I suppose).Also, although we've discussed it here before, I've never been totally sure of the legal side of all this. If a householder engages an electrician to undertake notifiable work in the knowledge that the work is not going to be notified, I'm not sure who is actually breaking the law. We've certainly heard of at least one (crazy) case in which an LABC attempted to pursue a householder (not the electrician responsible) for non-notification of work which had been undertaken before the present owner had even bought the property!
It may of course be another one of those areas where the intention of the people who wrote the legislation was different from what they actually wrote, but the Building Regulations are, IMO, completely clear that it is the person carrying out the work who is responsible for complying with them, not the person ordering the work. And that includes the giving of a notice.If a householder engages an electrician to undertake notifiable work in the knowledge that the work is not going to be notified, I'm not sure who is actually breaking the law.
Indeed. IF (and I really don't know) the responsibility for notifying rests with the householder, then the electrician is clearly breaking no law.Ah. Good point, I had overlooked that aspect of it (due to 'just' self-certifying anyway, I suppose). So, maybe DP should inform the householder that they must notify and if they do not then DP is absolved of all responsibility and not doing anything wrong.Also, although we've discussed it here before, I've never been totally sure of the legal side of all this. If a householder engages an electrician to undertake notifiable work in the knowledge that the work is not going to be notified, I'm not sure who is actually breaking the law. ...
Indeed. ISTR that the law says that the responsibility (for notification) rests with 'the person undertaking the work', or something like that. IIRC, BAS interprets that, literally, as the person whose hands did the work - but, as you imply, I'm not at all convinced that a court would necessarily take the same view.I know Bas disagrees with this so we could be back to square one until a judge tells us the 'truth'.
I disagree with it because it is clearly wrong.So, maybe DP should inform the householder that they must notify and if they do not then DP is absolved of all responsibility and not doing anything wrong.
I know Bas disagrees with this so we could be back to square one until a judge tells us the 'truth'.
One can never predict what a court might do.ISTR that the law says that the responsibility (for notification) rests with 'the person undertaking the work', or something like that. IIRC, BAS interprets that, literally, as the person whose hands did the work - but, as you imply, I'm not at all convinced that a court would necessarily take the same view.
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