Rascist Labour cabinet MP sacked

[fillyboy]

That definition does not make sense. It is just something someone (the IHRA) wrote for their own benefit.

They are using a word which clearly does not apply to the definition.
There is nothing in the definition about Semitic people.
It cannot apply to Jews who are not Semitic or Semitic people who are not Jewish.

Plus, of course Jewish is not a race so, by definition, it cannot be racist.

Completely incorrect and typical of reporting that is often seen. It implies that a person supports what some Palestinian groups get up to. They don't in this case. It's all about extending boarders via a war and also a form of racism and certain other aspects such as shooting unarmed civilians at times.

In which case I'm sure Miss Long Bailey will be reinstated immediately and Keir Starmer will offer her his unreserved apologies.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't mind if he sacks her for being anti-Jewish - if she was.

I just object because it is not actually anti-Semitic nor racist.

What would be wrong with just using 'anti-Jewish' instead of a word which does not mean that - because everyone is scared of being labelled anti-semitic - and therefore racist - were they to do it?



I unilaterally declare that Devonshire (adjective) is a race and you are racist for arguing with me.

 

[ajohn]

In which case I'm sure Miss Long Bailey will be reinstated immediately and Keir Starmer will offer her his unreserved apologies.

Why would it mean that?
Anyway typical answer from a right wing supporter that is beginning to have doubts.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

That definition does not make sense. It is just something someone (the IHRA) wrote for their own benefit.

They are using a word which clearly does not apply to the definition.
There is nothing in the definition about Semitic people.
It cannot apply to Jews who are not Semitic or Semitic people who are not Jewish.

Plus, of course Jewish is not a race so, by definition, it cannot be racist.

The original use of the word (late 19 century) did not relate simply to Jews. Although it was a subject of discussion between certain people, mainly in France and Germany. Arguments about its use have continued and do continue.
But modern day usage is generally considered to be 'against Jews and/or against Judaism and racist.
Indeed, Arabs can exhibit anti-Semitic behaviour, if you adopt the modern day usage of anti-semitism.
As anti-Semitism can be about prejudice towards those who practice Judaism, racism does not have to be about 'race'. It can apply to religion or culture also.

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[EFLImpudence]

Couldn't contain yourself any longer?

But modern day usage is generally considered to be 'against Jews and/or against Judaism and racist.

I know it IS. Therefore it is wrong; you can't have it both ways. Judaism is not a race.
Plus you cannot be racist against a religion as it contains people of different races.

Indeed, Arabs can exhibit anti-Semitic behaviour,

Not if they are themselves Semitic.

if you adopt the modern day usage of anti-semitism.

Don't do that, then.
Prejudice against Semitic Arabs because they are Semitic is obviously, by definition, also anti-semitism.

As anti-Semitism can be about prejudice towards those who practice Judaism,

Of course it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word anti-semitism; not anti-judaism.

racism does not have to be about 'race'.

Of course it does. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.

It can apply to religion or culture also.

No, it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.

 

[fillyboy]

Couldn't contain yourself any longer?


I know it IS. Therefore it is wrong; you can't have it both ways. Judaism is not a race.
Plus you cannot be racist against a religion as it contains people of different races.


Not if they are themselves Semitic.


Don't do that, then.
Prejudice against Semitic Arabs because they are Semitic is obviously, by definition, also anti-semitism.


Of course it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word anti-semitism; not anti-judaism.


Of course it does. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.


No, it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.

Oy veh!

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Couldn't contain yourself any longer?


I know it IS. Therefore it is wrong; you can't have it both ways. Judaism is not a race.
Plus you cannot be racist against a religion as it contains people of different races.


Not if they are themselves Semitic.


Don't do that, then.
Prejudice against Semitic Arabs because they are Semitic is obviously, by definition, also anti-semitism.


Of course it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word anti-semitism; not anti-judaism.


Of course it does. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.


No, it can't. Don't be silly. The clue is in the word - racism.

I suggest you write to Wikipedia and tell them how wrong they are.

Antisemitism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For total or partial opposition to Judaism as a religion and Jews as a religious group, see Anti-Judaism and Religious antisemitism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
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While you're at it, perhaps you'd like to inform Britannica Encyclopedia about their mistake as well.

Anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism​

I suspect I could find umpteen different organisations that would be happy to debate with you about your opinion, except they probably don't care about your opinion.
The official UK definition is as defined by IHRA. That's good enough for me, and probably most people.

UK Government’s adoption of the IHRA definition of antisemitism
https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...ption-of-the-ihra-definition-of-antisemitism/
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And what do you mean by 'couldn't contain yourself any longer'?

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have no alternative but to conclude that you are either a very silly person or have a vested interest in maintaining the duplicitous method of silencing any criticism of Jews or Israel by falsely branding it as racist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

https://www.tikkun.org/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism

 

[sodthisforfun]

It's deja vu

You've had the same argument with Himmy several times.

 

[delmel]

These sort of post should be banned from a DIY forum. Started by a Boris pin up (doesnt get much weirder than that) and such utter crap throughout as is always when crappy Bolotics are writen about. Yes Bolotics is exactly what it is.

 

[JohnD]

The official UK definition

includes “criticism of Israel similar to that levelled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic”

 

[Ryler]

criticism of Israel similar to that levelled against any other country

What criticism levelled against another country is similar to Israel?

 

[fillyboy]

I have no alternative but to conclude that you are either a very silly person or have a vested interest in maintaining the duplicitous method of silencing any criticism of Jews or Israel by falsely branding it as racist.

I have no alternative but to conclude you are Ken Livingstone.

 

[JohnD]

What criticism levelled against another country is similar to Israel?

You might criticise a country if it did something you disapproved of.

For example if Belgium and Israel both banned immigrants or redheads from driving, you could reasonably criticise them both.

If only one of them did it, you could reasonably criticise that one.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I have no alternative but to conclude that you are either a very silly person or have a vested interest in maintaining the duplicitous method of silencing any criticism of Jews or Israel by falsely branding it as racist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic

https://www.tikkun.org/who-gets-to-define-anti-semitism

You can conclude what you like. You obviously do when you disagree with the conventional meaning of antisemitism.
You can have your silly person discussion with the word 'antibody', 'antibiotic', 'antipasto', and lots more words that you think ought to not mean what they mean to most people.

body -
Physical body, an object in physics
Body plan, the physical features shared by a group of animals
Anatomy, the study of the body plan of animals
Human body, the entire structure of a human organism
Dead body or cadaver, a dead human body
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body​

antibody does not mean 'against the body'

An antibody (Ab), also known as an immunoglobulin (Ig),[1] is a large, Y-shaped protein produced mainly by plasma cells that is used by the immune system to neutralize pathogens such as pathogenic bacteria and viruses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody
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and

antibiotic - against life. ​

and

antipasto - against pasto
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Language changes, it evolves. Most people move with it. Sometimes, valid organisations publish their official definitions, which become accepted, embedded and adopted, by most people. You seem to have a problem with that.

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Wicked - Wicked literally means evil. In slang it means perfect or excellent
cool - While slang terms are usually short-lived coinages and figures of speech, cool is an especially ubiquitous slang word, most notably among young people. ... In this sense, cool is used as a general positive epithet or interjection, which can have a range of related adjectival meanings.