Remote control roller shutter

Hi, ok thanks for the help, there was only 1 flex (4-core) coming from the motor, there is no spare wires hanging around. I did look around the motor housing and I can't see how I can get access to the internal connections without taking the complete shutter down!

I think it would be best to leave as it is. The shutter does have a manual opening/closing handle, so if someone did get there head stuck then I would be able to open it :D

Thanks!
 
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I've worked on systems at airports which had shutters without limit switches, I think they just relied on motor torque/current to sense opened or closed. They were Ellard I think, pretty cheap n cheerful. Also worked on airport systems with Ellard shutter motors which had the limit switches driven by rotary cams next to the motor.
 
Is this a domestic one with a tube motor? Have a look for a couple of very small (about 3mm) diameter holes near the cable entry- if you find the holes, shine a torch in and you should see a slotted shaft in each hole. If you do have these then 1 will control the DOWN limit and the other will do the UP limit. Adjust with care- obviously if you overcook the OUT limit it'll make a right mess of the door :)
 
So if the shutter is coming down, and it hits an obstruction, does the motor stop, or does it continue trying to force the shutter down?
 
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Thanks for the replies, I believe its a tube motor, will look later for any holes, would be afraid to adjust it though.

I've not tried putting a obstruction under it bas, would be scared of it bending or breaking. When it fully closes though, it hits the ground and I cannot hear the motor turning, however as mentioned its still drawing power.
 
When the shutter stops moving the motor will stop turning.

If it is drawing power then it is still trying to turn.

I've not tried putting a obstruction under it bas, would be scared of it bending or breaking.
If the obstruction is a person, might they be injured?

I wonder if the whole control/feedback system needs re-thinking.
 
Yes, it is still trying to turn. I guess the original design with the toggle switch, when released would stop motor turning was deemed acceptable by the installer. Unless he did not adjust the switches as mentioned for whatever reason.

I will look later if I can see them. Thanks
 
There are regulations and directives which apply to electric gates.

Are there not similar for electric shutters and doors? They're basically just gates moving in a different plane.
 
If its a tube motor there is usually two tiny adjusters to set the limits, the ones we use come with sort of a long plastic stick with a hex end for adjusting them.
 
Hi, I have found the switch screws underneath shutter/motor, two allen bolts with symbols... Clockwise for -, anti-clockwise for +.

Limits on travel are not enough to stop a shutter from crushing someone.

Guess you would have to be pretty stupid to get crushed by a roller shutter or freak accident i.e. having a fit when it was closing and getting crushed.
I see what your saying though and totally agree.

Some factories I visit have these sensors....Laser ones perhaps... it is not a metal roller shutter more like a plastic roller shutter/screen with fast action.
You wave your hand near it and it opens fully, 30 seconds later it fully closes automatically, however if walk near it when it is closing it quickly goes back up.
 
Some factories I visit have these sensors....Laser ones perhaps... it is not a metal roller shutter more like a plastic roller shutter/screen with fast action.
You wave your hand near it and it opens fully, 30 seconds later it fully closes automatically, however if walk near it when it is closing it quickly goes back up.


sara doors are like that, 2 metres a second, sometimes they scare the life out of you
 
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Pressing an up or down button which when released causes the door to stop is very different to pressing buttons which then auto fully open or close the door or gate.

I think we are all to some extent guilty of thinking that's how it worked when installed it must be OK that way. But I have done the cardboard box test many times. What is frighting is how many times it has crushed the box.

Mother has a mobility scooter when she was likely to hit some one I stood in front of her, and was pleased to find it did not have that much force. But the type able to do 8 MPH have loads of force even when set to 4 MPH for pavement use. It is the same with roller shutter doors, the ballast weight or spring ballast can mean the door has very little effort, but others which look the same can nearly cut one in half.

I seem to remember it is some where around 400 N of force which in layman's terms is 88 lbs so my box test was not going to stop anything like 88 lbs but 88 lbs on the chest of a healthy man is very different to that of a small child so it will depend on where the door is.

The 2013 report on a gate death shows how British manufacturers have got it wrong so one can't rely on the fact it came for a well known firm meaning it is safe to use. In my mothers house we have a stair lift from Stannah with no safety cut out on the extending leg and it can be operated where the leg can't be seen. Used for the once in Blue moon I take mother up stairs OK, but before I could rent out the house it would need disabling as it could crush a baby.

Where I worked we would shift the blame, we would hire a specialist to install and do any tests. We were able to do the work our selves, but the boss would only allow it in an emergency, simply so he could blame some one else if it went wrong.

Further reading on gate death happened in 2010 and court case concluded in 2015 in between that time director was first found guilty then that was reversed and then company found guilty of corporate manslaughter fined £50,000 in yearly instalments of £8,000 so it would seem not paid by insurer's so that firm must advertise what happened so it is hoped they are still trading in 7 years time.

The report points out they were told gate was for vehicle only access and thought there was no pedestrian access and they did not design the gate they only fitted it.

Some times I read these reports and wonder how some people seem to get away Scot free, the council who told the company no vehicle access for example, and the worker who did not read the installation manual and instead took a 3 minute instruction from manufacturer.

But it does make me think how you have to watch your back, and how easy it is for some one to be made guilty when they only knew about what had gone on after the event.
 
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