Removed Socket

[Rusty10]

Hi

Just wanted an explanation if possible please?

I have removed a single gang socket that was spurred off a 2 gang socket.

The two gang socket now only has 1 red, 1 black & earth. Is this socket spurred if so how do I tell?

The house was re-wired 15 years ago (previous owner) as I understtad it you cannot spur off a spur...

 

[Spark123]

You are correct in saying you should not take a spur from an unfused spur.
What size fuse supplies the circuit and what size is the cable?

 

[Chri5]

Is the circuit that you tool the socket away from fused at 30 amp or 20 amp ?

If it's 20 amp it may well have been the last socket for a radial circuit.

If it's 30 amp then (unless it's 4mm TE rather than 2.5mm TE = radial) it does sound like a spur off a spur.

If you want to trace back you should look in the immediate area for other sockets, that would include the other side of internal walls.

A ring socket with a spur will have the in and out ring cabling and a spur cable- so any socket with 3 cables needs to be considered.

 

[Rusty10]

Hi

Got the installers 'Fusechart'...

Ring 1 - 32 Amps
Cable Size - 2.50mm
CPS - 1.50mm
RCCD Tripping time 30ma= 11m/s

If it was the last socket on a radial would that be a problem?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It's not the last socket on a radial though, is it....

Hi

Got the installers 'Fusechart'...

Ring 1 - 32 Amps
.
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So in the absence of any deeper investigations to see if any major butchery has taken place or to verify that it's a spur all that can be done is to assume that it's the latter.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

Sounds like a spur, but who is to say it's not another spurred socket from another spur?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

It could be. There was already at least one spur-from-a-spur. Whoever did that might have strung any number together. Or might have used an FCU.

 

[Rusty10]

Even more confused now!

So it looks as though it was a spur from a spur...

Was that normal back in '95? It was a reputable local company who installed the electrics originally, may have been done later I guess...

The 2 gang socket thats left has 1 red, 1 black plus earth and it looks like it travels in the direction of the CU...

 

[riveralt]

Even more confused now!

So it looks as though it was a spur from a spur...

Was that normal back in '95? It was a reputable local company who installed the electrics originally, may have been done later I guess...

Yes it does sound like you had a spur on spur - which you cannot have - don't know about 95.

The 2 gang socket thats left has 1 red, 1 black plus earth and it looks like it travels in the direction of the CU...

If you know its direction of travel are there any other sockets along the route.
Turn the power off!!
Then have a look behind the other sockets either enroute or within the immediate area. If this is a spur (and not another spur on spur) then it should be fed by a socket that has three sets of cables.

Having removed the single socket - you havent said what you intend to do.
If you are simply going to fill in the hole left by the old socket and if the remaining 2 gang socket is a spur then there is nothing more to do. If you intend to replace the ex single socket with another double then you cannot do that.
If the remaining double (with one set of conductors in) is a spur then you can change this to fcu (13amp) and run as many spurs as you want off it.

 

[mfarrow]

Yes it does sound like you had a spur on spur - which you cannot have - don't know about 95.

It was, at one point, OK to have one single socket outlet spurred from another single socket outlet spurred from a ring main. Though I believe this was removed from the regs. well before 95.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

OK **** - some more questions for you to provide rational, logical, intelligent and mature answers to.

It will be hard to interpret failure on your part as anything other than confirmation that you are irrational, illogical, stupid and immature.

It's not the last socket on a radial though, is it....

Do you think it is the last socket on a radial, even though the EIC says it's a ring?

So in the absence of any deeper investigations to see if any major butchery has taken place or to verify that it's a spur all that can be done is to assume that it's the latter.

Do you think that any other assumption could reasonably be made? If so, would you explain why?

It could be.

Do you think it's impossible for it to be a spur from a spur? If so, would you explain why?

There was already at least one spur-from-a-spur.

As the OP removed a socket spurred from this, and all the indications are that it is itself a spur, would you explain why the original situation was not at least one spur from a spur?

Whoever did that might have strung any number together. Or might have used an FCU.

Would you please explain why neither of those possibilities should be mentioned?

 

[RF Lighting]

Who are you supposed to be having a go at?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Who are you supposed to be having a go at?

I don't know.

At whoever it was who gave these two posts:

//www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1812346#1812346

//www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1812377#1812377

a thumbs down because he's irrational, illogical, stupid and immature.

 

[geraint]

Who are you supposed to be having a go at?

I don't know.

At whoever it was who gave these two posts:

//www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1812346#1812346

//www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1812377#1812377

a thumbs down because he's irrational, illogical, stupid and immature.

state your qualifications and then comment...if you cannot... i suggest a tight lip...

 

[1john]

state your qualifications and then comment...if you cannot... i suggest a tight lip...

What a useful post.

OP, perhaps instruct a diffenent company to do a PIR on the installation to accertain any other issues.