Its a more sober breackdown of the statistics of who is coming into our country and who is leaving. An antidote to certain elements of the press who print headline grabbing statements about immigration and this country being "swamped".
So yu think you know about Britain?
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Its a more sober breackdown of the statistics of who is coming into our country and who is leaving. An antidote to certain elements of the press who print headline grabbing statements about immigration and this country being "swamped".
Well, aren't we?
Where are all the spare houses, schools, hospital beds, jobs, etc, etc?
Are you in favour of uncontrolled immigration? Don't you care that such a lunatic policy has wrecked things for our kids?
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Well, aren't we?
Where are all the spare houses, schools, hospital beds, jobs, etc, etc?
Are you in favour of uncontrolled immigration? Don't you care that such a lunatic policy has wrecked things for our kids?
joe-90 and Whitespirit66, I really do recommend this book to you, it seems to be written just for you and will answer many of your questions that the Daily Mail headlines will not.
No one has ever suggested uncontrolled immigration and uncontrolled immigration is not happening in this country.
And no we are not being swamped. Population rising does not equate to population numbers running amok. Healthcare and pensions etc are based in part on the fact the next generation is going to be larger than the previous one, so can help shoulder the cost. Our population is not rising fast enough if we are going to be able to provide for our Grandparents, parents and ourselves.
The "impact" on the NHS is discussed, ethnic minororities provide proprtionatley more support staff, nurses, cleaners etc than the white "indigent" population. Without the ethnic minorities the NHS would collapse. The shotage of hospital beds has got more to do with lack of investment and the slashing of budgets than catering for "Johnny Foriegner"
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England is the 6th most populous country in the world - so how do the other get on with a lower population? Do they fail? No - so why should we.
Somebody has written a dopey book for personal gain - they've got to make some silly claim to get it published.
Live in the real world mate.
Somebody has written a dopey book for personal gain - they've got to make some silly claim to get it published.
Live in the real world mate.
fifty shades of grey is a very good book....
id recommend you guys have a read too......
They've written a book about Rafferty's Motor Car???????
http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctydensityh.htm
England the 6th most populous? Is that by density? UK is ranked above as 23rd, England, if ranked alone with a larger population per are than Scotland, Wales etc, would rank higher but 6th?
The book analyses official statistics to bring about a realistic view of Great Britain and its make up.
Other countries do and are failing, its happening to Greece, Ireland and more.
And the point about population is that finances are based on a growing population. Not whether or not other countries have got a smaller population. As long as a population is increasing they can look after the aging members of their country.
Yes ofcourse he is trying to sell his book, we are all trying to make an income. Just like the Daily Mail when it prints its attention grabbing headlines.
In the real world I hope that this country is not overrun with Right Wing Nationalists but rather people looking at the data to see what the problems actually are.
Who have been the one of the largest groups of immigrants to Britain in recent years? The Americans. Should we send them packing? Whats one of the bigger reasons for high house prices and housing shortages? People buying second and third homes. But its easier to blame the immigrants.
England the 6th most populous? Is that by density? UK is ranked above as 23rd, England, if ranked alone with a larger population per are than Scotland, Wales etc, would rank higher but 6th?
The book analyses official statistics to bring about a realistic view of Great Britain and its make up.
Other countries do and are failing, its happening to Greece, Ireland and more.
And the point about population is that finances are based on a growing population. Not whether or not other countries have got a smaller population. As long as a population is increasing they can look after the aging members of their country.
Yes ofcourse he is trying to sell his book, we are all trying to make an income. Just like the Daily Mail when it prints its attention grabbing headlines.
In the real world I hope that this country is not overrun with Right Wing Nationalists but rather people looking at the data to see what the problems actually are.
Who have been the one of the largest groups of immigrants to Britain in recent years? The Americans. Should we send them packing? Whats one of the bigger reasons for high house prices and housing shortages? People buying second and third homes. But its easier to blame the immigrants.
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Haven't you noticed the flaw in your model? That an ever growing economy is unsustainable? All you do is put off the problems for the next generation. We don't need migrants for menial jobs. The Aussie equivalent of the NHS isn't stacked with migrants - why is that? Has it collapsed? No - it's way better than ours is. We don't need endless migration of Roma gypsies who have massive families and don't contribute - other than selling big issue. Why do you think that we do?
I am not saying that we should base things on an ever increasing population or economy, neither does the book. Just that our pensions/health schemes have. As we know retirement age is being raised to accomodate the fact that people are living longer, I can see contributions to National Insurance increasing at a greater rate in the years to come.
If we were to stop immigration tomorrow, without stopping emigration then the system we have currently in place will break down.
All I am saying is the views held by a lot of people are not in line with what the statistics show.
The view expressed so far on housing, health, poulation numbers are all covered along with ageing populations, the north/south divide and the increasing gap between the lowest income earners and highest incom earners, in the book by Danny Dorling. I myself believed some of the myths bandied about by newspapers like the Daily Mail, and it made me question some of my assumptions.
If we were to stop immigration tomorrow, without stopping emigration then the system we have currently in place will break down.
All I am saying is the views held by a lot of people are not in line with what the statistics show.
The view expressed so far on housing, health, poulation numbers are all covered along with ageing populations, the north/south divide and the increasing gap between the lowest income earners and highest incom earners, in the book by Danny Dorling. I myself believed some of the myths bandied about by newspapers like the Daily Mail, and it made me question some of my assumptions.
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Uri, are you seriously telling me, there aren't asylum seekers/immigrants living in flats/houses in Westminster, Chelsea and the posher areas of London claiming thousands of pounds per year in benefits and housing benefits?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351537/The-10-families-costing-1m-state-handouts.html
Ahh it's the Daily Mail, so we know it's all made up.
But,,, hang on,,, http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2867802/Illegal-immigrant-mum-gets-four-bedroom-house.html
Here's the Sun , getting in on the act..
And http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/aug/29/social-housing-council-powers-immigration?INTCMP=SRCH
The Guardian are almost apoplectic with rage that councils should house locals before immigrants.
Wow. all this news that's so obviously not true... What a wicked press we have here in the UK.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1351537/The-10-families-costing-1m-state-handouts.html
Ahh it's the Daily Mail, so we know it's all made up.
But,,, hang on,,, http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2867802/Illegal-immigrant-mum-gets-four-bedroom-house.html
Here's the Sun , getting in on the act..
And http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/aug/29/social-housing-council-powers-immigration?INTCMP=SRCH
The Guardian are almost apoplectic with rage that councils should house locals before immigrants.
Wow. all this news that's so obviously not true... What a wicked press we have here in the UK.
There's lies, damn lies and then there's stataistics !!
I am not sure where this is coming from?
I am not saying that housing is not taken up by immigrants and I am not saying that the press always lie. There are immigrant living up and down this country, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that the newspapers will print items targetted to their demographics in order to keep selling papers.
Immigratrion statistics are just one part of the problem, you have to look at emigration aswell as various other factors.
What I am trying to point out, which this book is trying to clarify, is that immigration itself is not a bad thing, immigration has positives and negatives.
JoinerJohn, you will enjoy this book, it may answer some of your questions, it may shed a differnet light onto the things you hold true. Or it may give rise to your anger give you a target for your rage as you argue every point that made.
