Socialism

[Notch7]

Land value Tax.

Good in theory, great in theory even.

In practice very very difficult to make a manifesto winner in this country.

You would need to reverse many many decades of people buying an asset. And change the property is used as a personal and business investment.

It might happen if a whole generation or 2 get trapped in high price renting, then the appetite for LVT might make enough followers for politicians to try.

 

[noseall]

That makes sense. (unless you're a fishmonger)

Self employed people do work for each other Judith. Get out of your bubble and live a little.

 

[noseall]

Indeed. A slice of yours needs removing

And so it does every July and January. It is paid promptly too and figured out by reputable accountants.

 

[Notch7]

And so it does every July and January. It is paid promptly too and figured out by reputable accountants.

Which will be substantially less than PAYE.

Builders generally avoid paying employers NIC or staff pensions because they dont employ staff they have them full time on CIS.

 

[motorbiking]

I wonder how many builders could honestly say they don't do any cash jobs?

 

[noseall]

I wonder how many builders could honestly say they don't do any cash jobs?

Cash is not a problem. Not declaring it is.

If you are stupid enough to spend most of the year taking cash and living an ostentatious lifestyle, you deserve everything you get.

 

[noseall]

substantially less than PAYE

I pay upwards of £10k every year. What does the average PAYE pay?

 

[Brigadier]

I pay upwards of £10k every year. What does the average PAYE pay?

30% of gross?

 

[Notch7]

I pay upwards of £10k every year. What does the average PAYE pay?

Not much point comparing oranges with apples

 

[motorbiking]

Cash is not a problem. Not declaring it is.

If you are stupid enough to spend most of the year taking cash and living an ostentatious lifestyle, you deserve everything you get.

The temptation to push a little in and out without touching the sides is pretty big.. I'm not saying big business is any different.

A client of mine recently got sued because they committed to charge expenses as cost, in fact they were charging them at list and getting a kick back from the travel company.. It all added up - Hotel £150 a night - £80 kick-back.

 

[durhamplumber]

yeah -neither are great options.

There are some really good MPs in the main parties, but they arent at the helm.

Far right

You can't unionise self employment.

Corbyn will give it a hell of a go

 

[durhamplumber]

Very noble

Share of the wealth meaning ?

What ?

You pay them

Share the wealth....Rob the money makers to give shirkers wide screen tv's,phones fags booze and knock out sprogs

 

[noseall]

Not much point comparing oranges with apples

Try phrasing your posts better then.

 

[durhamplumber]

Social housing is a linked but separate issue. In the third world many people were seen as un- bankable (major banks really did not want to provide services to the poor) so the creation of small microfinance orgs and community banks focused on the local population let people pool money together and lend to each other to say buy a small sowing machine and then through small investments be able to raise their incomes.

The same principle can be used in the UK at a small local level to create opportunities for those who just need some help to get back into working or develop an idea.

We are rapidly creating a generation,many of whom are happy to sit around doing nothing,expecting the Earth from life and govt

 

[durhamplumber]

So you agree wages for the majority should be better then?

If minimum wage is same as benefit thresholds, isn't there a problem?

Who on here is saying they are encouraging people to get money without earning? Unless unable (temporary or permanent) of course.

And how does your reply challenge a middle ground party? Are you happy seeing us lurch to the far right, or change and go extreme left?

My idea of "fair" differs from yours