Something needs to be done

[Freddie]

 

[joe-90]

To me, the most important thing about racism is the thought process that goes into determining whether or not a particular view is racist - the ability to stop and think before speaking or acting is the hallmark of a civilised society.

Well Softus, if you have to stop yourself from behaving in a racist manner then you are a racist at heart. I'm not a racist and I don't have to stop myself from acting like one - whereas you apparently do.


joe

 

[kendor]

That's what they think, same old story, say something they dont like and they brand you a racist meaning that you must be evil twisted and unintelligent--unlike them of course but that is their only argument.

They can never explain themselves

They can never prove that their stance is the right one

They can never justfy their point or more importantly disprove yours or the ones they agree with.

10 years ago it used to work but today nobody listens, but they think the louder they shout the more they have got their point across.

A racist must be in their eyes a thick boot wearing skin head, and they being the super intelligent Liberal must be the clean spectacle wearing cross legged " black is the new White " middle class 4x4 owner.

I relish the day the knackers park next door to them, and then watch them squel.

it's not about having to prove anything, it's about common decency to others of which you and some others on here lack in bundles!

 

[Softus]

I asked for your view you said Anybody who thinks or says etc etc etc------------you cant dictate what people can think, you would be controlling people then.

All I did was offer my definition of racism. I'm not putting a bill in front of Parliament or trying to dictate views or behaviour!

The only reason i mentioned muslims is because they and their teachings hold themselves above all other----so in otherwords in direct conflict with your racism views.

No race or colour mentioned just a group of people who believe that what they believe is above anything else, this is in conflict with your racism explanation.

How can this be a conflict? If their teachings are racist then you're right. It doesn't make my definition wrong, it just means that they're racist. However, being so doesn't mean that give up all of their human rights, does it?

I think I might see where you're confused. Do you believe that I think that there are only racists and victims of racism? And that one person can't be both? I never said that. Anyone can have a racist view at any moment, and non-racist views the rest of the time. Like sometimes I'm cold and sometimes I'm warm - neither of these states means that I'm always one or the other.

If a victim of racism is themselves racist, it doesn't negate anything. Both parties are then guilty of racism. I don't see why you don't get that.

Doesn't the fact that I agree with your definition of racism mean anything to you?

 

[Softus]

I love foreign people and their culture.

However, we live in a very small and overcrowdwd country and immigration should thus be limited.

I don't believe that Muslim and Christian can live together successfully. This has been born out all over the world (the Balkans being a very good example).

No joe, it hasn't been borne out, that's only your opinion. Some of us do live together successfully, for example where I live, and some don't. There are many diverse factors that influence the possibility of success.

...people like Softus...

Your usual sweeping generalisation based on no knowledge. Your implication that having a definition for the word racism is an idealogy reveals you to be the burk that you are.

I'd like to see Softus's face if the Gypsie race all pulled up and set up camp next to his house. He'd soon prove himself a racist.

If you're referring to some travellers who live in caravans, the ones who are thieving scum and decimate the countryside, then, since you've brought it up, they've been here already. I detested them, and, for the record, my face looked angry.

What I don't do is assume that all travellers in caravans will behave the same way. In what way are these views racist?

It seems that you have some generalised view of "Gypsies"? Did one of them steal your flow switch wiggle board?

 

[joe-90]

Softus, Gypsies have a genetic blueprint that makes them identifiable - they are a race.

You detest them for what they have done.

Many detest the Muslims for what they have done and are still continuing to do.

What's the difference?

BTW, where do Christians and Muslims live peacefully?

joe

 

[Softus]

...if you have to stop yourself from behaving in a racist manner then you are a racist at heart.

That quite a big "if". The fact is that I don't have to stop myself behaving in a racist manner.

I'm not a racist and I don't have to stop myself from acting like one - whereas you apparently do.

Ahh right - you say "apparently", but, strictly speaking, it's not apparent. Whereas your views on Gypsies have not yet been published.

Have to stop now - one of your customers has complained that the new flow switch you fitted didn't make a blind bit of difference...

 

[Softus]

Gypsies have a genetic blueprint that makes them identifiable - they are a race.

If you say so, but I didn't know that - you introduced the term Gypsie onthis topic.

You detest them for what they have done.

No, and you're really stretching the limits of patience with your distortion of what I wrote. I referred explictly to the group of travellers who, at one time, lived lawlessly nearby until the police moved them on. I have no view of the race that you refer to, because I (a) don't know who they are and (b) don't know whether or not any of them lived nearby.

Many detest the Muslims for what they have done and are still continuing to do.

What's the difference?

I don't know what you mean - the different between what and what?

BTW, where do Christians and Muslims live peacefully?

In the village community where I live, and in the town where I used to work. I will ask around for you and report any other places that I hear about.

 

[Freddie]

I asked for your view you said Anybody who thinks or says etc etc etc------------you cant dictate what people can think, you would be controlling people then.

All I did was offer my definition of racism. I'm not putting a bill in front of Parliament or trying to dictate views or behaviour!

The only reason i mentioned muslims is because they and their teachings hold themselves above all other----so in otherwords in direct conflict with your racism views.

No race or colour mentioned just a group of people who believe that what they believe is above anything else, this is in conflict with your racism explanation.

How can this be a conflict? If their teachings are racist then you're right. It doesn't make my definition wrong, it just means that they're racist. However, being so doesn't mean that give up all of their human rights, does it?

I think I might see where you're confused. Do you believe that I think that there are only racists and victims of racism? And that one person can't be both? I never said that. Anyone can have a racist view at any moment, and non-racist views the rest of the time. Like sometimes I'm cold and sometimes I'm warm - neither of these states means that I'm always one or the other.

If a victim of racism is themselves racist, it doesn't negate anything. Both parties are then guilty of racism. I don't see why you don't get that.

Doesn't the fact that I agree with your definition of racism mean anything to you?

To be perfectly honest Softus i dont have an issue with any race or anything else.

My personal view of religion is that it is total garbage and gets high jacked by those for power or money, the people who follow it or those people are usually looking for something or want to inflict their wishes on others.

I have had black friends indian friends asian friends and other nationality friends, even a couple of muslims from a resturant who were bangledeshi.

I know longer trust muslims of any colour because of what they have done and are doing---does that make me a racist???

I would prefer and would want because of their views and thir religion for a number of reasons that they go back to a muslim country and live with those they think are the same---does that make me a racist????

I dont believe that they will ever mix with the west as their is to much conflict with what they believe---does that make me a racist???

According to you lot yes it does not only can i not think this way but i cant say this aswell.

But thge difference between me and you is--i dont tell you what you must think and what you cant say and i dont accuse you of some crime either.

Strange innit.????

 

[Softus]

To be perfectly honest Softus i dont have an issue with any race or anything else.

My personal view of religion is that it is total garbage and gets high jacked by those for power or money, the people who follow it or those people are usually looking for something or want to inflict their wishes on others.

I sympathise - I have some not-entirely-dissimilar views of religion in general, but for some cultures religion is very tightly bound with their laws and customs, and it's unrealistic to expect that to change with any speed.

I have had black friends indian friends asian friends and other nationality friends, even a couple of muslims from a resturant who were bangledeshi.

I know longer trust muslims of any colour because of what they have done and are doing---does that make me a racist???

In my opinion, no it doesn't.

I would prefer and would want because of their views and thir religion for a number of reasons that they go back to a muslim country and live with those they think are the same---does that make me a racist????

It's not going to happen, and some people may think that this particular view of yours is unreasonable, but, in my opinion, this view is not a racist one.

I dont believe that they will ever mix with the west as their is to much conflict with what they believe---does that make me a racist???

Again, in my opinion, no it doesn't, but your view is just a bit negative, or, as you might say, realistic

According to you lot yes it does not only can i not think this way but i cant say this aswell.
But thge difference between me and you is--i dont tell you what you must think and what you cant say and i dont accuse you of some crime either.

Whoa there Freddie - we were doing so well! Who is this "you lot"?!

And, to repeat the point again, nothing I've written suggests that you musn't say what you've been saying. When I claim that someone (not you) has a racist view, then this isn't a command or a dictate, merely an observation. If someone goes ahead and makes public that view, then that person takes the risk of being charged with inciting racial hatred.

Have you every heard a quote that I believe was attributed to Alexander Solzenitzen, in answer to the question "How did you survive in prison?"? It goes something like this:

Don't think. If you have a thought, don't speak it; if you speak it, don't write it down; if you write it down, don't sign it; if you sign it, don't be surprised at what happens to you.

The point of this is not to suppress speech, but that we all need to be aware that when we make a statement that we know to be contraversial then we shouldn't be surprised when people object to it.

 

[kendor]

even a couple of muslims from a resturant who were bangledeshi.

you call them friends yet all muslims are terrorists??!?!??
sorry you make no sense either that or you are being extremely hypocritical.

 

[joe-90]

If you're referring to some travellers who live in caravans, the ones who are thieving scum and decimate the countryside, then, since you've brought it up, they've been here already. I detested them, and, for the record, my face looked angry.

What I don't do is assume that all travellers in caravans will behave the same way. In what way are these views racist?

Softus. You are judging a whole community by the actions of a minority.
I very much doubt that it was the old women out there stealing cars or the old men. I doubt that it was even ALL of the young men - yet you are happy to damn the entire communty on the actions of a few.

I therefore take it as read that you are not against others applying the same logic to a different minority group in the country.

It's not the old Muslim women blowing up innocent people or even the old men. It's not even ALL of the young male Muslim population - but you can hardly grumble that people feel the same way about that minority group as you do about another minority group can you?

You really need to get a grip on what you do think.

Oh and as for saying that Muslim and Christian get on well in your particular village (atm) - well that simply highlights the shallowness of your insight.

joe

 

[Softus]

kendor, could you hang fire with the venom for a while - I'm having a exchange with Freddie and I'm concerned that you might kick something off just when it's going reasonably well.

 

[Softus]

You are judging a whole community by the actions of a minority.

No, I observed the actions of a community and judged that community.

I very much doubt that it was the old women out there stealing cars or the old men.

You can doubt it all you like - you weren't there.

I doubt that it was even ALL of the young men - yet you are happy to damn the entire communty on the actions of a few.

Well, it was all the young men - all two of them. What makes me happy (a) was not stated and (b) is none of your business, but with regard to the damning, every single man, woman and child was guilty of some offence.

I therefore take it as read that you are not against others applying the same logic to a different minority group in the country.

Well, it's a mystery why you would take that as read when I've refuted it, since only an idiot would do that.

It's not the old Muslim women blowing up innocent people or even the old men. It's not even ALL of the young male Muslim population...

Fine. Good. So what?

You really need to get a grip on what you do think.

No - you need to get a grip on reading what I write. You have no idea what I think except for what is written on this web site. Equally, I have no idea what you think except for the galactically stupid inferences that you perpetually draw.

Oh and as for saying that Muslim and Christian get on well in your particular village (atm) - well that simply highlights the shallowness of your insight.

Oh, and no it doesn't - it underlines the fact that I speak from first-hand knowledge and don't make assumptions. And don't think I haven't noticed that you left out my reference to the town in which I used to work.

I've now had enough of your babyish opinions, and I believe your aim is to bait me with mindless inferences, so there will no more replies from me to you on this topic. Go ahead and write what you like - I'm happy for the other readers to draw their own conclusions.

 

[kendor]

BTW, where do Christians and Muslims live peacefully?

joe

many places in the UK what's your point?