Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

My position is that a vessel not in British territorial waters is not engaging in non innocent passage in British waters

I can’t follow all your double negatives.

U.K. has the right to take the necessary steps to prevent passage that is not innocent in its territorial waters (unclos a25). People trafficking illegal immigrants, is specifically defined as not innocent (a19g). You are attempting to argue that a U.K. flagged vessel is in violation of peaceful passage if it enters French waters to enforce its right to prevent non innocent passage. In fact there is no such definition of such enforcement in a19 as non innocent. Any French enforcement is limited to preventing the people trafficking or other non innocent passage, which it has shown no interest in doing.

 

[motorbiking]

It’s a diplomatic issue.

U.K. will never be able to do pushbacks or returns to France, because they will say fek off.

France is part of EU and it has far more ,leverage than UK in negotiations.

More rules in fact. Not leverage, in this specific instance.

 

[Highway Man]

MBK lies

it is no surprise you take notice of liars, you like Trump, Farage, Johnson -all liars

OMG

 

[motorbiking]

It is noted Motorbiking hasnt answered this yet.

I guess its because it screws up his argument

Because it’s irrelevant.

 

[Notch7]

In fact there is no such definition of such enforcement in a19 as non innocent

yes there is A19 L “any other activity not having a direct bearing on passage”

Also Article 18:
“continuous and expititious”
“can not engage in activities that could be deemed as stopping”

Conditions for Innocent Passage​

• While the right to innocent passage is a recognized principle, it is subject to certain conditions.
• Article 18 of UNCLOS stipulates that passage must be continuous and expeditious.
• This means that vessels should not linger unnecessarily in the territorial sea and must not engage in activities that could be deemed as stopping or anchoring without justification.

 

[Notch7]

Because it’s irrelevant.

It is entirely relevant…which is why you spent numerous posts on here claiming UK Border Force weren’t entering French waters but merely preventing migrant boats entering British waters…..which is not possible

 

[motorbiking]

they won’t be anchoring.

 

[aveatry]

MBK lies
it is no surprise you take notice of liars, you like Johnson -all liars

And yet you believed every thing Johnson told you about covid.

 

[Notch7]

More rules in fact. Not leverage, in this specific instance.

Nothing to do with rules.

42% of British exports go to EU……an awful lot of them enter EU at Calais. That’s in France.

If French border control went on strike, our route to mainland Europe goes pear shaped.

 

[Notch7]

they won’t be anchoring.

“stopping or anchoring”

 

[Notch7]

And yet you believed every thing Johnson told you about covid.

Certainly not.

The idiot gave a speech in Greenwich basically saying the U.K. would ignore lockdowns and it be a massive boost to the economy……

 

[Notch7]

Because it’s irrelevant.

Because it destroys your argument.

 

[motorbiking]

Because it destroys your argument.

Nonsense.

You are selectively pretending the U.K. does not have the right to protect its waters from people trafficking, but at the same time arguing the French can enforce their territorial waters from the British if they cross in to French waters in order to prevent illegal entry.

 

[Notch7]

Nonsense.

You are selectively pretending the U.K. does not have the right to protect its waters from people trafficking, but at the same time arguing the French can enforce their territorial waters from the British if they cross in to French waters in order to prevent illegal entry.

Please can you explain where the territorial sea border is in your image of Border Force practising a turn around.

 

[Notch7]

Nonsense.

You are selectively pretending the U.K. does not have the right to protect its waters from people trafficking, but at the same time arguing the French can enforce their territorial waters from the British if they cross in to French waters in order to prevent illegal entry.

I am just pointing out how maritime laws are applied.

You are selectively pretending the U.K. does not have the right to protect its waters from people trafficking

No, UK does have a right to protect its waters, but none of the scenarios you have put forward are compliant with International law or not practical

You have yet to explain in practice how to prevent migrant boats entering British waters

the French can enforce their territorial waters from the British if they cross in to French waters in order to prevent illegal entry.

Well they can.

42% of U.K. exports go to EU
8% of EU exports come to UK

So they have the upper hand.