Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Notch7]

Push backs are legal I've quoted the power the coastal state has to prevent passage that is not innocent, at least a dozen times.

Motorbiking admits posting LIES at least a dozen times

Push Back are NOT legal

because small boats overloaded with people are vulnerable vessels and the actions of pushing them back would likely put them in a distress situation


Motorbiking repeats his dumb lies because he thinks if he keeps repeating it often enough he will get away with it. He wont

 

[Notch7]

It can - it happens daily all over the world

a British vessel needs permission to drop people at French coast

 

[motorbiking]

Putting it in big letters doesn't make it fact.

a British vessel needs permission to drop people at French coast

no it doesn't - feel free to quote a law saying otherwise.

 

[Notch7]

nonsense - you don't understand the rules

show me the rules which state it is ok to push back a boat that is in distress

 

[Notch7]

Putting it in big letters doesn't make it fact.


no it doesn't - feel free to quote a law saying otherwise.

yes it does

UNCLOS A19 g

"the unloading of any person contrary to the customs, immigration and regulations of the coastal state"

 

[Highway Man]

a British vessel needs permission to drop people at French coast

In a genuine distress situation, a boat in distress typically does not require prior permission to land in a French port. However, it's crucial to report the boat's presence and undergo immigration and customs checks at the nearest designated port of entry

 

[Notch7]

That does not stop a person bringing a claim that their rights were violated by their treatment.

It does stop Border Force agents and Royal Navy from wanting to get involved as personnel would be at risk of prosecution

 

[Notch7]

In a genuine distress situation, a boat in distress typically does not require prior permission to land in a French port. However, it's crucial to report the boat's presence and undergo immigration and customs checks at the nearest designated port of entry

A theoretical scenario that is not common

its happened once this year


If a boat is in distress and makes a distress call whilst in French waters, the French coastguard would be the ones attending

 

[Notch7]

Putting it in big letters doesn't make it fact.


no it doesn't - feel free to quote a law saying otherwise.

I have to put it in big letters because you have spent 40 pages on here lying

 

[noseall]

I don’t remember Motorbiking saying that when the Conservatives that he voted for were in power.



What did Conservatives deliver in 14 years




First quarter of this year we’ve had fastest growth in G7
Net migration down by 50%
Deportations up

So it is delivering

Even the IMF forecasts are more optimistic.

 

[noseall]

you are lying again - I've not suggested ththis

Yes you did.
You said its OK for UK flagged vessels to deal with small boats as long as they are in French waters.
Which I commented on at the time.

 

[denso13]

In a genuine distress situation, a boat in distress typically does not require prior permission to land in a French port.

Which law says that?

 

[motorbiking]

show me the rules which state it is ok to push back a boat that is in distress

nobody is proposing this.

 

[Notch7]

nobody is proposing this.

how can you prove the boat is not in distress?

pushing back a small inflatable boat overloaded with people may well put that boat in distress.

Neither Border force nor Royal Navy are willing to take the risk, Priti Patel tried it and they both said no.



this is where your pushback argument has always fallen apart and will always fall apart.

 

[motorbiking]

Which law says that?

Article 18, 24 and 98, UNCLOS plus SOLAS reg 33. says they must accept them.

The duty to rescue

There is a duty pursuant to international law for a ship to attempt the rescue of persons at danger at sea. This duty is based on a long-standing and strongly felt moral obligation among seafarers. This is stated, for example, in the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) Article 98 the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS), Regulation V-33. All states recognize this duty.

One implication of this rule is that a state cannot legally prohibit its vessels from rescuing persons at sea: states must accept that their vessels engage in rescue operations. In the International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue (SAR), coastal states undertake the role to coordinate the SAR in respect of persons in specified areas (Article 2.3). There is a duty to organize such services (UNCLOS Article 98 and SOLAS, Regulation V-7). There are no provisions in the SAR convention that the particular state in charge of a specific area can direct foreign vessels whether to assist or not. Within the 12 nautical miles of territorial waters, the state has general jurisdiction on other grounds (including the right to direct vessels how to assist or not to assist), but this jurisdiction does not extend to ships in passage assisting other vessels (UNCLOS Articles 17-18).