1. Visiting from the US? Why not try DIYnot.US instead? Click here to continue to DIYnot.US.
    Dismiss Notice

Stud wall uprights fixed directly to loft joists?

Discussion in 'Wood / Woodwork / Carpentry' started by untrepid, 12 Sep 2017.

  1. untrepid

    untrepid

    Joined:
    21 Sep 2009
    Messages:
    64
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Building my first few stud walls currently and it seems to be the way that you fix a top joist to the ceiling and then uprights to that. If I have a stud wall going perpendicular to my ceiling / loft joists, wouldn't I be better off fixing the uprights directly to them, and then add noggins at ceiling height? Wouldn't that be a far simpler and stronger solution?
     
  2. Sponsored Links
  3. foxhole

    foxhole

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2006
    Messages:
    15,153
    Thanks Received:
    1,639
    Location:
    Kent
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Far more complicated and not as strong.
     
  4. untrepid

    untrepid

    Joined:
    21 Sep 2009
    Messages:
    64
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Care to elaborate??
     
  5. chappers

    chappers

    Joined:
    27 Aug 2004
    Messages:
    3,254
    Thanks Received:
    357
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    and each one needs plumbing up individually too.
    set out your walls on the floor not the ceiling and plumb everything up from there, two end legs fixed to the header, set it on the sole plate and wedge the legs out, plumb each end then uprights naturally follow plumb between sole and header
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  6. foxhole

    foxhole

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2006
    Messages:
    15,153
    Thanks Received:
    1,639
    Location:
    Kent
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Could not have put it better .
     
  7. untrepid

    untrepid

    Joined:
    21 Sep 2009
    Messages:
    64
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    You didn't even try! :whistle:

    I fixed one upright to the wall, one at the other end, then screwed a joist to those two about a foot from the ceiling. From then on each middle joist just rested against the temporary one, and they seem happily plumb and I'm still given to think it's more robust.

    It's certainly slower, but as this is DIY not my profession, I'm not seeing any reason it's a bad idea, and I've a much neater result than I'd have had otherwise.
     
  8. Sponsored Links
  9. foxhole

    foxhole

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2006
    Messages:
    15,153
    Thanks Received:
    1,639
    Location:
    Kent
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    So you have no timber against the ceiling?
     
  10. untrepid

    untrepid

    Joined:
    21 Sep 2009
    Messages:
    64
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    Not against it, no. Noggins up high instead, as shown in the photo. If there's a genuine downside, unrelated to time / effort I'd be keen to know still.
     

    Attached Files:

  11. chappers

    chappers

    Joined:
    27 Aug 2004
    Messages:
    3,254
    Thanks Received:
    357
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    doubt it will make any difference structurally, but a lot of faffing around, are you saying you started one end fixed noggins and then put the next upright in and so on then noggined out the top.
    But remember every time you create an extra unnecessary joint you add a point of weakness, as I said probably won't matter structurally for a stud wall though.
     
  12. foxhole

    foxhole

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2006
    Messages:
    15,153
    Thanks Received:
    1,639
    Location:
    Kent
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    So how how are you going to fix plasterboard at the top with nothing there? insecure into corner joint the plasterboard cannot be filled or plastered successfully.
     
  13. untrepid

    untrepid

    Joined:
    21 Sep 2009
    Messages:
    64
    Thanks Received:
    0
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    As in the photo, there are noggins an inch below ceiling height. Doing it this way has meant the the uprights don't need to be measured at any point, which by my measuring skills is a big win. I'd rather the extra noggins were a few mil short here or there rather than the uprights. this way I just need to nip up into the loft at some point and chop of anything poking above the rafters.
     
  14. foxhole

    foxhole

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2006
    Messages:
    15,153
    Thanks Received:
    1,639
    Location:
    Kent
    Country:
    United Kingdom
    So how are you intending to fill the gap where ceiling meets wall board? Timber looks to be 2x2? flimsy for a stud wall.
     
  15. DIYnot Local

    DIYnot Local

    Joined:
    3 Sep 2019
    Country:
    United Kingdom

    If you need to find a tradesperson to get your job done, please try our local search below, or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you.

    Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search.


    Are you a trade or supplier? You can create your listing free at DIYnot Local

     
Sponsored Links
Loading...

Share This Page