Testing & Certificates

[owspark]

Am unsure to the following: the very nice plumber chap who gives me loads of jobs quite often calls and says that there is another boiler that needs bonding and by-the-way the stat needs moving or changing to something more modern sort of thing, none of which is ever a problem technically. So the question is... is this a case for the minor installation certificate or can the whole thing just be done, check the Zs on the boiler circuit, the house main bonds and walk away...???

 

[RF Lighting]

You should test and issue a certificate for every job you do.

Whether it needs notifying or not is another matter.

 

[owspark]

ok so what happens if the entire boiler system, stats, immersion cut-out and zone valves are all powered via a 3A 3-pin plug (rather than a fixed fused spur)? Does the same rule still apply?

 

[owspark]

and... I seem only to have certificates (both minor works and electrical installation) all which require notification...

 

[Pensdown]

ok so what happens if the entire boiler system, stats, immersion cut-out and zone valves are all powered via a 3A 3-pin plug (rather than a fixed fused spur)? Does the same rule still apply?

All of the above would be classed as fixed wiring and should not be fed via a plug and socket.

 

[RF Lighting]

Sorry, what I should have written is:

You should test and issue a certificate for every job you do, which involves modification or alteration of the fixed wiring.

As for notifying, it is the job itself which dictates wether the job is notifiable, not the type of certificate issued.

If for example you wired an additional socket in someones bedroom, you should test and issue a MEW certificate. However if you wired an additional socket in someones kitchen, you should test, issue a MEW certificate AND notify LABC.

 

[Pensdown]

Am unsure to the following: the very nice plumber chap who gives me loads of jobs quite often calls and says that there is another boiler that needs bonding and by-the-way the stat needs moving or changing to something more modern sort of thing, none of which is ever a problem technically. So the question is... is this a case for the minor installation certificate or can the whole thing just be done, check the Zs on the boiler circuit, the house main bonds and walk away...???

Just out of interest, how do you bond the boiler?

 

[owspark]

Yes seems a bit dull doesnt it. just to strap all the 5 or 6 pipes together with 10mm where less than a foot away they are linked via the boiler housing anyway.

 

[Pensdown]

Sorry, what I should have written is:

You should test and issue a certificate for every job you do, which involves modification or alteration of the fixed wiring.

As for notifying, it is the job itself which dictates wether the job is notifiable, not the type of certificate issued.

If for example you wired an additional socket in someones bedroom, you should test and issue a MEW certificate. However if you wired an additional socket in someones kitchen, you should test, issue a MEW certificate AND notify LABC.

If you issue a MEW for a domestic installation, which type do you issue, the domestic MEW or a general MEW?

 

[Pensdown]

Yes seems a bit dull doesnt it. just to strap all the 5 or 6 pipes together with 10mm where less than a foot away they are linked via the boiler housing anyway.

And which regulation(s) are you working to?

 

[RF Lighting]

If you issue a MEW for a domestic installation, which type do you issue, the domestic MEW or a general MEW?

AFAIK Either is acceptable.

Personally we use the standard MEW certificates, but we have now started to use the domestic EIC and PIR certificates.

 

[owspark]

the domestic installer MEW

 

[owspark]

Yes seems a bit dull doesnt it. just to strap all the 5 or 6 pipes together with 10mm where less than a foot away they are linked via the boiler housing anyway.

And which regulation(s) are you working to?

Not sure. Will you enlighted me as to which I should be aiming at... I think perhaps it is one of these historical things where all boilers seem to have bonding nearby and when the plumber decided to rip out all the pipework when installing new the he seems to think it requires same bonding to be replaced. I am more than willing to learn...

 

[RF Lighting]

just to strap all the 5 or 6 pipes together with 10mm where less than a foot away they are linked via the boiler housing anyway.

Unless the boiler had been removed for whatever reason.

 

[Pensdown]

If you issue a MEW for a domestic installation, which type do you issue, the domestic MEW or a general MEW?

AFAIK Either is acceptable.

Personally we use the standard MEW certificates, but we have now started to use the domestic EIC and PIR certificates.

We've been using normal MEW and normal PIR so I'm glad to hear we are not alone. This week we have taken delivery of a domestic set of test certs (yippee, another £ 100+ well spent) but I've not had a chance to compare them to see if we've wasted our money or not.