That Kier fella is starting to talk sense.

[Justin Passing]

Cloud cuckoo land. Why do so many people live in various poverty levels?

How many hours of it people actually get also figure and also general living costs in several areas.

I repeat, most Eu countries are worse than us. So if people are happy to come here and earn that amount, what's your problem?

If you want to raise some other agenda start another thread.

 

[^woody^]

The only way lazy UK people will be interested in working is to cut off their luxurious benefits and make them get out and do some work.

 

[Notch7]

Why do so many people live in various poverty levels?

high rent pushes millions into in-work poverty

zero hour contracts

insecure working conditions

massive cost of childcare

 

[fillyboy]

The only way lazy UK people will be interested in working is to cut off their luxurious benefits and make them get out and do some work.

Hasn't that just been announced in Italy and proposed in France?

 

[Mottie]

high rent pushes millions into in-work poverty

zero hour contracts

insecure working conditions

massive cost of childcare

Hotbed - ten to a house
accept zero hour contracts
dont worry about working conditions
Leave the kids in your country of origin.

Thats what the cheap foreign workers do.

 

[Justin Passing]

high rent pushes millions into in-work poverty

zero hour contracts

insecure working conditions

massive cost of childcare

Truth to all of that. They all need attention.
Tax landlords so they choose not to be a landlord. ? I'm not sure what would happen then tbh.

Some zero hour contracts are evil, regulations have been tightened , haven't they? I thought the worst were banned now?

Insecure employment - careful. Some EU countries have rules too far the other way, making life as an employer untenable. Start-ups need a lot of flexibility.

Childcare sounds utterly ridiculous. I often leave Womens' Hour on, on R4. Always the same story. It's not worth well educated high value women going to work. Crazy.

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BUT this has nowt to do with the topic of the thread - employing some foreign workers when it suits.
They aren't cheap foreign workers - they cost the same as ours.

 

[Justin Passing]

Hasn't that just been announced in Italy and proposed in France?

They've been 'mulling':

France mulls encouraging people on sick leave to work for home to tackle absenteeism

France is mulling tackling a rising tide of workers taking sick leave by encouraging them to work from home when ill. Sick leave costs France’s social securi

cde.news

for a while and more grumbling recently

 

[Vinty]

Kier Starmer just spouts the obvious, great soundbites but no realistic plan to achieve it.

Starmer is just telling people what they want to hear.
His party at present just doesn't have the talent to run the country properly.

 

[Pat ex]

The only way lazy UK people will be interested in working is to cut off their luxurious benefits and make them get out and do some work.

Amen to that, including the asylum seekers!
Why should they get all those massive benefits without being allowed to work?

 

[ellal]

I repeat, most Eu countries are worse than us.

Absolute rubbish...

But of course you can show us the evidence of that claim?

 

[Justin Passing]

Or possibly, have minimum wages that people can live on without the need for top up benefits?I

After a full week at work , people can't live without tax credits. That's the issue, work doesn't pay.

No that's no good, cos then they aren't worth employing.
If the wages are supplemented by benefits, the benefit is effectively subsidising the employer. Which is OK. Business keeps running.
If fruit pickers are too expensive on minimum wage, it becomes cheaper to import fruit from those countries with lower minimum wages.
Then the industry is gone.
That happened to coal, steel... most of our manufacturing.... all the way back to cotton, jute and the rest.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No that's no good, cos then they aren't worth employing.
If the wages are supplemented by benefits, the benefit is effectively subsidising the employer. Which is OK. Business keeps running.
If fruit pickers are too expensive on minimum wage, it becomes cheaper to import fruit from those countries with lower minimum wages.
Then the industry is gone.
That happened to coal, steel... most of our manufacturing.... all the way back to cotton, jute and the rest.

If people can't live without benefits whilst in a full time job then we do not have an acceptable cost of living, regardless of whatever the wage is, high or low.

Whilst work doesn't pay, you will never be able to encourage people off benefits.

Either you want business subsidised or you want people to earn a decent wage (relative to cost of living). The system needs resetting, not just tinkering with the vicious circle of higher wages and higher prices.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

There are 10 million economically inactive adults between the ages of 16 and 65 in Britain. Mostly for genuine reasons but millions are not genuine. In addition millions of people work in public sector non-jobs; the government could turn these people into productive workers by using a bit of initiative. We are not short of people.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

There are 10 million economically inactive adults between the ages of 16 and 65. Mostly for genuine reasons but millions are not genuine. In addition millions of people work in public sector non-jobs; the government could turn these people into productive workers by using a bit of initiative. We are not short of people.

We are short of decent paying jobs though.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

We are short of decent paying jobs though.

There are always jobs at McDonald's, you have to start somewhere