I have been to Yafo in Israel also known as Jaffa....try reading that book “In God’s Name”. It will prove everything you have said...and it is the truth...and an awful one.
Speak more tomorrow
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Geof
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I have been to Yafo in Israel also known as Jaffa....try reading that book “In God’s Name”. It will prove everything you have said...and it is the truth...and an awful one.
Speak more tomorrow
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Geof
No thanks.
What I have said is basic common sense and observation of life, in various places.
You believe what you want. Until somebody can prove different ( and they have had countless years to do so), religion cause more issues than it solves. I don't want any part of it.
Except to take exception and criticise? “Why do you fight the goads”
That’s a biblical quote...
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Im entirely with you on that one.
Except to take exception and criticise? “Why do you fight the goads”
That’s a biblical quote...
A biblical quote indeed.
Isn't a goad, a device to control an animal? Why do I fight the control?
My point exactly, religion is a form of control.
So more to the point, why do you want to control, or be controlled? Can you not think for yourself, or let others do the same? Especially children.
And it's not just your religion, it is all!
yes i like to think for myself....i have, and what makes you think i havent?...you thought for yourself and are welcome to comment...cant i?..
i think for myself about being a christian not being born one and for that matter totally voicing the same views you have on the gross failings in the organisations and manipulations i observe.
this is the story many christians have..except those born into it and encouraged (pressurised) by their families as happens in the majority of world religions..either being cultural, family based, or more sinister geographical and historical.
dont you find you may have instances in your life where you rebel against good advice...that is the import of fighting against a goad...the goad guides but becomes a painful if one rebels...as an oxen in the field
what this could mean is that you have other types of guidance you have chosen to rebel against, common to us all.
not particularly religion in itself but perhaps other avenues of life
i have been and still have those feelings and will argue against those issues many of which are about religious practices relative to bible based teaching.... and see those as control, however many christians have discovered free will and make choices based on their life stories without pressure or control, which is quite refreshing
so i do understand why in large part why you use your analytical expertise to seek out the flaws in a system which others seem to follow blindly and under control as you put it..and it is.
this section of diynot is good for myself and others to flex our thinking on a vast range of subjects....i come here for advice on diy and have for many years...and can add your comments to those i have recieved on technical matters as well with thanks
speak again soon
cheers
geof
Great.
You have thought for yourself, not controlled.
So why christian belief and not any other. Influenced by the local religion and people, not by your own thoughts.
It is a control, and you are in it. Controlled or contoller is the only question.
i was an atheist, with no stimuli around me to induct me into christianity or controlled by the thoughts and prejudices of others. my family werent and still arent religious...neither am i in real religious terms
being a chritian isnt religious..its a choice after reviewing the seemingly untrue and impossible facts in a more objective way and one which pleases the thinker and encourage others in the results of that thinking
it stems from ones system of choices which one can say that none of us control
one may be controlled to assume their thoughts are original, logical, and unaffected by exterior input
impossible!!
so we are left with the surmise that there must be some control or circumstances which affect our reasoning...either for good or bad....abstract morality it would seem is a vague expression for a type of conduct no person really, although aspires, reaches.
as i have pointed out i have my own free thoughts and choice...free will?
but not free to be an anarchist
if i didnt have christian belief...would my belief be..not to have christian belief or another avenue of intellectual reasoning and personal choice
we all have beliefs...labelling them in a categorical fashion denies individuality
be a good person? are we good?
which of all religions is the best or worst..using the parameters that religion is something on actively believe in with equivocation or any mental reservation
i believe in free thought without prejudice and have selected from the array of options the one which i have considered most beneficial
not under control...uncontrollable?..self control!
"there is no proof God exists, and the historical proof for the events about Jesus arent open to inspection even though documents from that era are available...or not available
the gospels were written 60AD long after the letters of paul 40AD
the bible is mainly the works of the greeks, the hebrew texts being translated by them and used for theological framing of the original books of the bible which were many some never being included
there are questions about authenticity, authorship and in fact truth"
one can only say that those who dont question that data above "-" are the one being controlled by a central world wide source...unassailable in its secrecy
not including the christian post 19th century sects
i am aware of your concerns and views, and share them up to the point they seem irrelevant to my personal experiences and beliefs
enlightenment is what is required
you must read that book
in gods name...its a revelation
cheers
geof
Baha'i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, and Zoroastrianism.
Out of that list, others are available, why choose christianity?
Some local influence, direct or indirect.
Why is your religion right (or more right ) than any of the others. Have you studied them all and decided, or just chosen 1?
More controlled than controller I think.
Out of that list, others are available, why choose christianity?
Some local influence, direct or indirect.
Why is your religion right (or more right ) than any of the others. Have you studied them all and decided, or just chosen 1?
More controlled than controller I think.
I wonder why that was.
So, you just decided to become a nice person and call it christian because Christ was a nice chap in the book you read.
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sodthisforfun
With respect to you, I've never listened (or read) the ramblings of a Christian that ever really made any sense.
No probs if people want to believe, but for me it shows weakness. To be a really decent person a person should do it without fear (of damnation) or being told do (the bible). Then it's more meaningful and more selfless.
Strange may be but in the UK religion and politics do not mix
That X liberal leader in the last general election. Got slated after stating he was a Christian and making comments about homo sexual relatinships had to resign over the caper ???
In the US if you stated you were an atheist presidential candidate you would not get elected
That X liberal leader in the last general election. Got slated after stating he was a Christian and making comments about homo sexual relatinships had to resign over the caper ???
In the US if you stated you were an atheist presidential candidate you would not get elected
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durhamplumber
Yip,,precisely the clap trap christians come out with,utter utter nonsense.Great crutch for the sad,unhappy,ill,weak willed,depressed etc,but seriously screws up many many young people,and they pass the drivel on to inflict their kids with it.On the surface its all happy smily lovin,,underneath,very sinister and v controlling.
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