The Future?

[ajohn]

A government that is committed to using more electricity whilst producing less electricity.

Tory electricity will be more efficient than any other on the planet. Privatised so will drive cars further and heat houses better.

TBH I think it's fairly easy to forecast what is likely to happen with electric cars. There is one indication relating to cost. It seems a Chinese can buy a Tesla for ~1/2 the USA cost. Doubt if they are selling at a loss so costs may well fall.

Powering the things is more tricky as no country is likely to have household power supplies capable of recharging a high range vehicle anything like quickly to achieve that range. Charging for a commute or general running around maybe especially at urban speeds but why have the range or power if just used for that? 1,000's go on holiday somewhere in the UK - rather a lot of chargers needed there and on the way there.

Rail being revamped, including HS2. Pretty obvious why considering the above. HS2 is all about capacity. Higher speed is needed to shift more stuff along it. Trams cropping up in places. Our often empty wonderful bus services. Maybe some old rail routes reopened - trams this time maybe?

Revamp the entire UK national grid. Could be done but costly and more power needed. More power has it's problems on it's own neglecting distributing it. Answer on houses - insulate them to replace gas but at the same time increase electricity usage. Heat up time may mean never switching it off in winter. That down to thinking about what I have seen in Sweden even in houses. Ok it's colder there but.........

Tax lol - fuel duty
They represent a significant source of revenue for government. In 2022-23, we expect fuel duties to raise £25.0 billion. That would represent 2.8 per cent of all receipts and is equivalent to around £900 per household and 1.0 per cent of national income.

I'll bet some spend more than £900. 1% of household income of £90,000 wish our household income was that. Many others would too.

Whoops forgot - no more car industry world wide or a seriously depleted one?

 

[gant]

I suggest you do a bit of research before relying on people you have never heard of. It took me 2 mins...

Lobbyist opposed to UK petrol cars ban is director of fuel additive firm

Howard Cox denies any conflict of interest in his links to fair fuel group of MPs and company Ultimum

www.theguardian.com

Sounds like he's got his head screwed on and hasn't fallen for all this greenwash and is fighting back with all the tools at his disposal.
Let's hope he wins the argument and does us all a favour.

 

[johnny2007]

Going back to EV, the only solution which would work in the immediate future is to have battery banks instead of petrol stations and standardised batteries .
Then EV drivers would exchange batteries at the touch of a button using a sliding system (?)
Nobody would own batteries and this could be funded with something similar to the road tax.

 

[denso13]

Sounds like he's got his screwed on

He is the director of a firm who are developing fuel additives and will make money from the retention of the combustion engines.

I for one think that may skew his opinion somewhat...

 

[diy_fun_uk]

My dictionary is a hundred years old, from before communism took a hold in Britain, and doesn't contain the word lifestyle. It is a selfish concept.

Yes, electric cars cannot possibly work on the same scale that we now have with petrol and diesel cars. Under "Net Zero" we are supposed to have no more petrol/diesel vehicles on the road from 2030 onward. That is only 7 years away, which is not a long time to do all the necessary work to enable it. Even if it could be done in 7 years the Government has not started doing anything much about it as of yet. It is as if the Government knows that it is not going to happen, just like they knew that covid wasn't going to kill everybody so they continued to hold drinking parties, visit their mistresses, drive to Barnard Castle etc.

I've said in other threads I think it'll be interesting to see how the transition away from diesel/petrol is managed in the longer term. For example, let's say you buy a brand new diesel/petrol car the day prior to the 2030 ban. Come 2038 for example, you might then elect to sell it on. The new owner might then elect to keep it roadworthy for as long as possible, let's say to 2045 at which point the car is 15 years old.

I wonder if, eventually, they'll also put a ban on the sale of second hand vehicles, but how would that work in practice, and what about collectables and so on. No doubt the quantity of available diesel/petrol pumps will also start to naturally decline.

There are a few variables to all of this and like I say, I'll be interested to see how it pans out.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I've said in other threads I think it'll be interesting to see how the transition away from diesel/petrol is managed in the longer term. For example, let's say you buy a brand new diesel/petrol car the day prior to the 2030 ban. Come 2038 for example, you might then elect to sell it on. The new owner might then elect to keep it roadworthy for as long as possible, let's say to 2045 at which point the car is 15 years old.

I wonder if, eventually, they'll also put a ban on the sale of second hand vehicles, but how would that work in practice, and what about collectables and so on. No doubt the quantity of available diesel/petrol pumps will also start to naturally decline.

There are a few variables to all of this and like I say, I'll be interested to see how it pans out.

Simpler than that. Will be availability and price of fuel that kills off petrol/diesel vehicles if we're mad enough to go ahead with this. Many other countries won't, so as usual we're martyring ourselves for virtually zero effect.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Simpler than that. Will be availability and price of fuel that kills off petrol/diesel vehicles if we're mad enough to go ahead with this. Many other countries won't, so as usual we're martyring ourselves for virtually zero effect.

I've said before, they'll only be happy when we're all driving around in these. Not privately owned you understand, that will also be banned.

New Citroen Ami 2022 review | Auto Express

The UK-spec Citroen Ami has plenty of charm as a city runabout, but it comes with limitations

www.autoexpress.co.uk

 

[gant]

He is the director of a firm who are developing fuel additives and will make money from the retention of the combustion engines.

I for one think that may skew his opinion somewhat...

Er, that's why I said let's hope he wins the argument.
Who in parliament are opposing this drive to 'save the planet'? It's not like a good percentage are against the drive but not represented in parliament.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Id have more faith and belief in the argument if the guy had no self interest involved.

Not really a neutral argument, why do so many people get behind such prejudiced arguments ?

Lobbying generally happens for a reason. The reason is usually money not the planet, and our health.

 

[Brigadier]

Going back to EV, the only solution which would work in the immediate future is to have battery banks instead of petrol stations and standardised batteries .
Then EV drivers would exchange batteries at the touch of a button using a sliding system (?)
Nobody would own batteries and this could be funded with something similar to the road tax.

#33

Isn't the simplest solution - in the absence of hydrogen replacing fossil fuels, which I've always thought was the logical ultimate goal - to have "filling" stations that don't charge cars up, but swap a new (full-charged) battery in for your flat one?
Equivalent to taking out your empty petrol tank, and slotting a full one in?

Many things are standardised nowadays, so why not a standard battery and connector?

 

[denso13]

Er, that's why I said let's hope he wins the argument.

No, let's hope he doesn't.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I suggest you do a bit of research before relying on people you have never heard of. It took me 2 mins...

Lobbyist opposed to UK petrol cars ban is director of fuel additive firm

Howard Cox denies any conflict of interest in his links to fair fuel group of MPs and company Ultimum

www.theguardian.com

How can I be relying on someone I've never heard of? What I said is hardly unique to myself or this other person. It's possible to have thoughts and
opinions that aren't dictated by a single individual. It's possible for several unconnected people to have similar thoughts and opinions.

Though I will say if this Cox person is on the same page as me he's a pretty switched on bloke.

 

[denso13]

How can I be relying on someone I've never heard of?

You posted it, I presume as backing up your argument.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I've said in other threads I think it'll be interesting to see how the transition away from diesel/petrol is managed in the longer term. For example, let's say you buy a brand new diesel/petrol car the day prior to the 2030 ban.........

There won't be a ban if reason prevails.

You sheeple have already accepted it, however.

 

[Brigadier]

There won't be a ban

.... until natural wastage makes it academic anyway.