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Good job a mod helped you out and cleaned up your demented posts yesterday.
 
Dr Max Pemberton
Day in and day out, I see the tragic human fallout from our lackadaisical attitude towards cannabis. I work in a specialist service for people with emerging severe mental illness and most of my patients have experienced psychosis.

The vast majority of them have used cannabis, and their lives have been shattered by this dreadful drug. Around one third of psychosis cases in the capital are the result of cannabis, according to research by Sir Robin Murray, a professor of Psychiatric Research at King’s College London.

Global Impacts of Legalization and Decriminalization of Marijuana and Cannabis

Results: Articles were obtained from various countries regarding public health impacts of marijuana and cannabis use as well as an increase in adverse events after legalization and decriminalization of marijuana and cannabis. Information was available regarding cardiopulmonary diseases and mental health impacts from marijuana and cannabis use. Given that many countries have not yet legalized or decriminalized marijuana there were some limitations in the available information. Several countries reported an increase in motor vehicle accidents and deaths after legalization or decriminalization of marijuana. Marijuana users were noted to have an increase in negative mental health, including psychosis and suicidal behaviors, when compared to nonusers. Data demonstrates an increase in marijuana use after legalization or decriminalization.
 
I can't won't read the Mail Online since they want me to pay for it and the second link is v. short on data.
Got any more?
 
Not really true, is it?

London is now second on the world list of green cities (pipped to the post by Tokyo) and thanks to the Khan's wise policy to curb car pollution in the capital, London holds a respectable position in the European league table:

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But we can do better - the decriminalisation proposal is another far sighted policy that allows police resources to be better deployed in tackling real crime.
Here, this comes from your beloved BBC.
Are you going to dispute this?
If so, I can easily find the video of your mayor stating this abomination himself as you're not able to even do a simple search online.

 
I can't won't read the Mail Online since they want me to pay for it and the second link is v. short on data.
Got any more?
Anyone who trusts the mail for scientific accuracy gets exactly what they deserve.
 

Global Impacts of Legalization and Decriminalization of Marijuana and Cannabis

Results: Articles were obtained from various countries regarding public health impacts of marijuana and cannabis use as well as an increase in adverse events after legalization and decriminalization of marijuana and cannabis. Information was available regarding cardiopulmonary diseases and mental health impacts from marijuana and cannabis use. Given that many countries have not yet legalized or decriminalized marijuana there were some limitations in the available information. Several countries reported an increase in motor vehicle accidents and deaths after legalization or decriminalization of marijuana. Marijuana users were noted to have an increase in negative mental health, including psychosis and suicidal behaviors, when compared to nonusers. Data demonstrates an increase in marijuana use after legalization or decriminalization
A PHd article that hasn't been peer reviewed. There has to be better quality research out there.

The abstract is pretty badly written. Context that should have been in the method is in the results. Conclusions about the impact of Marijuana that shouldn't be part of the study and imply a lack of attention to removing other variables.
 
Stoners claim cannabis is safe and yet

Define safe.

It's safer than alcohol as far as we can tell. It's probably safer than smoking. It's absolutely the safest class B drug, that's why it was dropped to class C before the Tories went through a regularly scheduled moral panic.

I don't think it's safe, but we don't ban all risky things and we try to minimise the risk of many of the allowed risky things.
 
I don't argue that alcohol is harmful. But the claim cannabis is less harmful has to be questioned. In the 50's and 70's it may well have been. Todays **** is a different beast altogether.

There are studies showing it is probably more harmful than cigarettes'

I haven't seen any evidence that smoking causes psychosis. Cannabis does.

Safe?
I do not think it is safe to use. It can have consequences far beyond what any user (most likely a friend) will tell you.

I can tell you I have never heard a doctor say its safe as they are people dealing with the harm it causes the user and any victims.

I have never heard a police officer say its safe as they to deal with the user and victims every day. I have heard them say it use is out of control.

Parents who have seen their children behaviors change from good to bad. Those who have watched their hard working child full of enthusiasm become lifeless and lazy. Those who have watched their child become a hard drug users don't think it safe.

People who have been on the receiving end of violence from druggies don't think it safe.

People who are dealing with the consequences of death or serious injury caused by drug driver don't think it safe.

People who are being terrified in the streets and in their homes by young druggie thugs don't think it safe.

The people who think it safe are the users. They are happy to see their children become users too. They don't give damn about your child.
 
I don't argue that alcohol is harmful. But the claim cannabis is less harmful has to be questioned. In the 50's and 70's it may well have been. Todays **** is a different beast altogether.

There are studies showing it is probably more harmful than cigarettes'

I haven't seen any evidence that smoking causes psychosis. Cannabis does.

Safe?
I do not think it is safe to use. It can have consequences far beyond what any user (most likely a friend) will tell you.

I can tell you I have never heard a doctor say its safe as they are people dealing with the harm it causes the user and any victims.

I have never heard a police officer say its safe as they to deal with the user and victims every day. I have heard them say it use is out of control.

Parents who have seen their children behaviors change from good to bad. Those who have watched their hard working child full of enthusiasm become lifeless and lazy. Those who have watched their child become a hard drug users don't think it safe.

People who have been on the receiving end of violence from druggies don't think it safe.

People who are dealing with the consequences of death or serious injury caused by drug driver don't think it safe.

People who are being terrified in the streets and in their homes by young druggie thugs don't think it safe.

The people who think it safe are the users. They are happy to see their children become users too. They don't give damn about your child.
That just boils down to 'i believe' and some vague anecdotes.

I've tried to find a study showing alcohol is more dangerous, but I can't. There's plenty that show the opposite.

If alcohol is more dangerous than weed then why shouldn't we allow weed?

If weed is less dangerous than cigarettes, why shouldn't we allow weed?

If we don't allow weed to be sold then why do we keep allowing even more dangerous materials than Class B drugs to be sold over the counter?
 
A young human brain will be severely damaged with regular use of weed. Plenty of studies.
 
A young human brain will be severely damaged with regular use of weed. Plenty of studies.
A young human brain will be severely damaged with regular use of alcohol.

With an illegal product there is no control.
 
With an illegal product there is no control.
Making something legal does not introduce control. We still have alcoholics and smoking related health problems.

If you are suggesting that something should be legal, because its use is widespread, then perhaps there should be no speed limits, parking fines etc.
 
Here, this comes from your beloved BBC.
Are you going to dispute this?
If so, I can easily find the video of your mayor stating this abomination himself as you're not able to even do a simple search online.

From the link:
The mayor of London says current rules prohibiting development on green belt land are "wrong, out-of-date and simply unsustainable", as as the demand for housing increases. In a "radical step-change" in approach, planners will consider releasing some stretches of the land if conditions on affordable housing, energy efficiency, transport links and access to green spaces are met.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) has said those who rent homes in the capital experienced a rise of 11% last year, external, while 183,000 Londoners are estimated to be living in temporary accommodation, such as hotels and hostels. City Hall added that about 88,000 new homes are needed each year for at least the next decade to meet demand.


So where would those 88,000 new homes be built?
It's been an endless debate about new housing and a similar proposal in D.shire has been greeted with dismay as some folk object to their view being blocked by new houses that are urgently needed but nobody wants near them. Khan is considering these proposals because a new generation wants a home of their own, just as we did all those years ago - when housing was relatively cheaper. It's not worth renovating alot of old housing because of the expense and run-down areas become a breeding ground for poverty and exploitation. Drug gangs seed themselves in the cracks between council action and government inertia to do something about these places, bringing in migrant labour to exploit local demand for a quick hit that's more potent than booze.

Solve the housing crisis and the drug problem in one stroke with new builds?

Probably not. But a step towards decriminalisation would ease the pressure on local police and communities that might help towards a reduction in addiction...although there's no hope for hardcore Class A addicts. Rehab is their only course to take.
 
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