The next step towards a Police State...

[JohnD]

works for blm . why not mI5?

As you say, American cops have traditionally been given unspoken approval to shoot blacks.

Government officials in the UK have not usually been given such liberties.

 

[motorbiking]

MI5 is one thing, police?? I'm not convinced. if there are safeguards and the crimes are committed against those who they are targeting its less of an issue. if they are for example authorising an under cover agent to give some innocent a beating as part of an initiation test, then I think it becomes state sponsored and very dangerous when pitched against our fundamental rights

 

[Ihavenojob]

Abolishing the Human Rights Act and authorising criminality are undesirable policies.

Undesirable to criminals.

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

As you say, American cops have traditionally been given unspoken approval to shoot blacks.

Government officials in the UK have not usually been given such liberties.

not clever , just controlling the narative.
worrying signs of controlling manipulative tendancies.

 

[JohnD]

I wonder why you felt impelled to introduce the subject of American cops shooting blacks into the topic?

Trying to control the narrative, you say?

 

[JohnD]

MI5 is one thing, police??

it is not limited to MI5 and the police.

 

[Ihavenojob]

I wonder why you felt impelled to introduce the subject of American cops shooting blacks into the topic?

That was you, not read any other posts stating American police have carte blanche to shoot blacks.

 

[ellal]

if there are safeguards and the crimes are committed against those who they are targeting its less of an issue.

You must be having a laugh!

This is removing any tiny 'safeguard' there might have been by simply legalising what already goes on...

And what if they have got the 'target' wrong?

"The law will require MI5 officers and others to show the crime is "necessary and proportionate", but security officials will not say which crimes they will consider authorising"

So Carte blanche to do what they like if they can 'justify' it...

"However, the legislation stresses agencies must not breach the Human Rights Act, which requires the government to protect life."

So anything that stops short of a killing?

Mind you removing the HRA is a target for this government, so it's only a matter of time!

 

[JohnD]

"The official description of the bill is to “authorise conduct by officials and agents of the security and intelligence services, law enforcement, and certain other public authorities, which would otherwise constitute criminality.”"

"Whilst similar laws exist in both Canada and the USA to allow state actors to commit crimes in order to maintain national security, the legislation in both of these countries explicitly excludes certain serious crimes such as murder and torture.
The Tories’ Covert Human Intelligence Bill makes no such stipulations – placing “no specific limitations on the type of criminal activity that may be authorised”.

Extraordinarily, the bill also extends these authoritarian powers to numerous ostensibly unrelated government agencies – such as The Competition and Markets Authority, The Environment Agency, The Financial Conduct Authority, The Food Standards Agency and even The Gambling Commission."

 

[JohnD]

"In addition, the Tory bill allows state actors to commit crimes against its citizens in three extremely ambiguous, and effectively all-encompassing, scenarios:

• In the interests of national security.
• For the purpose of preventing or detecting crime or of preventing disorder.
• In the interests of the economic well-being of the United Kingdom."

 

[durhamplumber]

"The official description of the bill is to “authorise conduct by officials and agents of the security and intelligence services, law enforcement, and certain other public authorities, which would otherwise constitute criminality.”"

"Whilst similar laws exist in both Canada and the USA to allow state actors to commit crimes in order to maintain national security, the legislation in both of these countries explicitly excludes certain serious crimes such as murder and torture.
The Tories’ Covert Human Intelligence Bill makes no such stipulations – placing “no specific limitations on the type of criminal activity that may be authorised”.

Extraordinarily, the bill also extends these authoritarian powers to numerous ostensibly unrelated government agencies – such as The Competition and Markets Authority, The Environment Agency, The Financial Conduct Authority, The Food Standards Agency and even The Gambling Commission."

To compensate for the mad drift to the liberal left in society where every criminal is a victim of upbringing and receives a slap on the wrist.

 

[JohnD]

To compensate for the mad drift to the liberal left

That'll be the last ten years of Tory government, then.

I'm surprised you agree that the next government can kidnap and imprison pro-Brexers on the grounds that they are damaging to the economic interests of the country.

That'll be you locked up.

 

[durhamplumber]

That'll be the last ten years of Tory government, then.

Predictably John.You do not know left from right.

 

[Ihavenojob]

That'll be the last ten years of Tory government, then.

Hamstrung by the human rights bill.

 

[ellal]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

There appears to be quite few on this forum who deserve neither Liberty nor Safety!