not shure how much value you can put on a survey that askes questions about breaking the law
They didn't ASK the sample, they investigated the sample.
The REAL problem with the economy.
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They didn't ASK the sample, they investigated the sample.
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imamartian
Most of us know someone who's better off on benefits than getting a job!! Makes a mockery out of the likes of me who manages a living working full time.
Those on benefits should be made to turn up at a big warehouse every weekday and knit jumpers for newborn babies, or count washers, or sort recycled materials in order to justify their benefits.
Those on benefits should be made to turn up at a big warehouse every weekday and knit jumpers for newborn babies, or count washers, or sort recycled materials in order to justify their benefits.
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joinerjohn
It's easy for those who have good reliable employment to have a dig at those on benefits these days. My last job as a project coordinator paid quite well, but for the last 10 months in that position I was on a 15% reduction in wages, all due to the recession.
You think it's a life of fags and booze? I beg to differ. My reality is quite a lot different from what the press would have you believe.
I receive £64.odd per week contribution based JSA. I don't get free prescriptions. I drink around 3 pints per week. I still have to pay towards my rent.
In the last 3 months I have applied for at least 1 or more jobs per week. How many interviews have I had?? I'll tell you,,, Only one damn interview out of at least 16 job applications. I've been looking for jobs outside my trade now for 9 weeks and still no sign of anything on the horizon.
Skitzee would have you believe that unemployment and benefits are the reason this country is f****d. Well Skitzee, I disagree with you big time on this. The main reason this country is the way it is , is the last 13yrs of Blair and Brown's mismanagement of the economy.
Sold the countries Gold reserves when it was at it's lowest price. Introduced the car scrappage scheme which only benefited the car producers (all foreign owned companies too). Allowed immigration to rise to massive proportions in the most scandalous social engineering experiment ever.
How many on this forum actually work for the minimum wage? I'd wager it's a very low proportion of forum users. Yet in another post Joe 90 reckons the minimum wage is generous. FFS I was earning more than the minimum wage over 10 yrs ago.
Anyhoo, must get my beauty sleep now as I have to get up early in the morning to trawl the JC+ website, the local papers, the internet etc looking for gainful employment.
You think it's a life of fags and booze? I beg to differ. My reality is quite a lot different from what the press would have you believe.
I receive £64.odd per week contribution based JSA. I don't get free prescriptions. I drink around 3 pints per week. I still have to pay towards my rent.
In the last 3 months I have applied for at least 1 or more jobs per week. How many interviews have I had?? I'll tell you,,, Only one damn interview out of at least 16 job applications. I've been looking for jobs outside my trade now for 9 weeks and still no sign of anything on the horizon.
Skitzee would have you believe that unemployment and benefits are the reason this country is f****d. Well Skitzee, I disagree with you big time on this. The main reason this country is the way it is , is the last 13yrs of Blair and Brown's mismanagement of the economy.
Sold the countries Gold reserves when it was at it's lowest price. Introduced the car scrappage scheme which only benefited the car producers (all foreign owned companies too). Allowed immigration to rise to massive proportions in the most scandalous social engineering experiment ever.
How many on this forum actually work for the minimum wage? I'd wager it's a very low proportion of forum users. Yet in another post Joe 90 reckons the minimum wage is generous. FFS I was earning more than the minimum wage over 10 yrs ago.
Anyhoo, must get my beauty sleep now as I have to get up early in the morning to trawl the JC+ website, the local papers, the internet etc looking for gainful employment.
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I don't want to get embroilled in a row, or show a lack of respect as i know nothing about your circumstances.
But, let's assume you're fit and well... and a joiner... why not put an add in the paper, saying flat pack furniture put together... fences repaired, kitchen cabinets replaced etc etc (i haven't put much thought into that, but you could research where people need help). And get a foot in the market... word of mouth is a valuable asset....
My earlier comment was aimed at the Jeremy Kyle army of wasters... who supplement their benefits with crime and white lightening and drugs and have their days to themselves......
But, let's assume you're fit and well... and a joiner... why not put an add in the paper, saying flat pack furniture put together... fences repaired, kitchen cabinets replaced etc etc (i haven't put much thought into that, but you could research where people need help). And get a foot in the market... word of mouth is a valuable asset....
My earlier comment was aimed at the Jeremy Kyle army of wasters... who supplement their benefits with crime and white lightening and drugs and have their days to themselves......
If you are on Job Seekers allowance you DO get free prescriptions.
Joiner, I am proud of our 'safety net', but the people on it should be doing SOMETHING for it, if you haven't got a job you should be volunteering your time for something.
The safety net shouldn't be attractive to stay on....but it is...and people are without shame to WANT to stay on it.
As I have said to Col, I am not having a dig at anyone genuinely looking for a job...but you have to admit you could lose a few quid and still survive...and that is what it should be, be able to survive, NOT be on a par with those working.
Lets put this 'gold blunder' in perspective. Gordon ****ed up, got roasted for it good and proper. He LOST us £2 billion by selling the gold at the wrong time...
Last year we paid out £120 billion in benefit....but no, you're right...it was the Gold thing, not the benefits.
Joiner, I am proud of our 'safety net', but the people on it should be doing SOMETHING for it, if you haven't got a job you should be volunteering your time for something.
The safety net shouldn't be attractive to stay on....but it is...and people are without shame to WANT to stay on it.
As I have said to Col, I am not having a dig at anyone genuinely looking for a job...but you have to admit you could lose a few quid and still survive...and that is what it should be, be able to survive, NOT be on a par with those working.
Lets put this 'gold blunder' in perspective. Gordon ****ed up, got roasted for it good and proper. He LOST us £2 billion by selling the gold at the wrong time...
Last year we paid out £120 billion in benefit....but no, you're right...it was the Gold thing, not the benefits.
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Ive been fortunate (i wont use the word lucky, luck didn't enter into it) in that since leaving school at 16 ive been unemployed for a total of only 2.5 years in 39 years working, including 3 years at Uni.
However, im getting sick of it now and so ive cut down to part time hours - my missus works part time, kids have gone, no mortgage, allotments x2 for free veg and entertainment.
Getting another job is almost a job in itself. Whenever ive had to play the game, i reckon you need to spend 8-10 hours a week at it, and aim to apply for at least one job a day average. As Ive got older, my hit rate has dropped off, especially in the las t10 years. When i was in my 30's i got job offers from approx one in three interviews and i got interviews 1 in 2 applications, but once you hit 50 you suddenly become useless and stupid, apparently. The longest ive been out of work was 8 months, and the shortest was 3 days.
The one technique ive learned is you need multiple versions of your CV, each one pitched to emphasise certains skills for certain job types - i have an Administrators CV, a Project Managers CV, an IT CV, a Fleet Management CV..........its all the same CV, just written differently.
However, im getting sick of it now
and so ive cut down to part time hours - my missus works part time, kids have gone, no mortgage, allotments x2 for free veg and entertainment.Getting another job is almost a job in itself. Whenever ive had to play the game, i reckon you need to spend 8-10 hours a week at it, and aim to apply for at least one job a day average. As Ive got older, my hit rate has dropped off, especially in the las t10 years. When i was in my 30's i got job offers from approx one in three interviews and i got interviews 1 in 2 applications, but once you hit 50 you suddenly become useless and stupid, apparently. The longest ive been out of work was 8 months, and the shortest was 3 days.
The one technique ive learned is you need multiple versions of your CV, each one pitched to emphasise certains skills for certain job types - i have an Administrators CV, a Project Managers CV, an IT CV, a Fleet Management CV..........its all the same CV, just written differently.
Read this about the Chinese work ethic....
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=367&catid=9&subcatid=60
.....and weep!
Why? Because UK workers born of the sixties and seventies baby boomers know NO hardship and will never get their hands dirty.
That's why so many foreigners are in the country doing the dirty jobs.
One Chinese manager says the over fifties are the best workers!
The ole guys from the thirties and forties generation are a different breed. I have a neighbour ( extremely wealthy, owns quarries ) in his eighties and still works by his mens side shovelling on the tar gang in the pi@@ing rain! He's an Ulster man though born and bred of the Protestant work ethic.
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=367&catid=9&subcatid=60
.....and weep!
Why? Because UK workers born of the sixties and seventies baby boomers know NO hardship and will never get their hands dirty.
That's why so many foreigners are in the country doing the dirty jobs.
One Chinese manager says the over fifties are the best workers!
The ole guys from the thirties and forties generation are a different breed. I have a neighbour ( extremely wealthy, owns quarries ) in his eighties and still works by his mens side shovelling on the tar gang in the pi@@ing rain! He's an Ulster man though born and bred of the Protestant work ethic.
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joinerjohn
Skitzee. One day when you have the chance, do a bit of research on the internet. You'll find that unemployed people in receipt of contribution based JSA Cannot claim free prescriptions at all. (This applies to all prescriptions be it from a doctor, dentist or optician).
Whereas, those on income based JSA can and do claim free prescriptions.
For what it's worth, both income and contribution based JSA is paid at the same rate too. I don't know where the govt think that those on contribution based JSA don't become ill??????
Imamartian, If I were to put an advert in the local paper offering to make up flat pack furniture ect etc and do odd jobs, this would directly affect the benefit I receive at the moment. The Dept of Work and Pensions would deem me to be self employed and therefore unable to claim anything at all. Nice idea though.
I realise your earlier comments were aimed at the , as you call them, the Jeremy Kyle element in society. God knows I sometimes even watch his programme in the morning and agree, the people on his show are generally the dregs of society.
Whereas, those on income based JSA can and do claim free prescriptions.
For what it's worth, both income and contribution based JSA is paid at the same rate too. I don't know where the govt think that those on contribution based JSA don't become ill??????
Imamartian, If I were to put an advert in the local paper offering to make up flat pack furniture ect etc and do odd jobs, this would directly affect the benefit I receive at the moment. The Dept of Work and Pensions would deem me to be self employed and therefore unable to claim anything at all. Nice idea though.
I realise your earlier comments were aimed at the , as you call them, the Jeremy Kyle element in society. God knows I sometimes even watch his programme in the morning and agree, the people on his show are generally the dregs of society.
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If everyone worked a 30 hour week then there'd be jobs for all. The work available should be shared across society. It's crazy that some people work 48 hours just to pay those that can't get work via the benefit system. Share it out.
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If the benefit ystem was scrapped tomorrow the money saved would be used to make the rich richer through tax cut.
Money circulates it means shops in working class areas get business that they wouldn't have if it wasnt for the benefit system.
Look on it as a form of wealth distribution.
The fact is the unemployed are not responsible
for the state of the economy,
Remember it was the tories who wanted the banks deregulated,financial cowboys have received billions in state aid, they now have the best of both worlds their profits are privatised and their losses are socialised.
Money circulates it means shops in working class areas get business that they wouldn't have if it wasnt for the benefit system.
Look on it as a form of wealth distribution.
The fact is the unemployed are not responsible
for the state of the economy,
Remember it was the tories who wanted the banks deregulated,financial cowboys have received billions in state aid, they now have the best of both worlds their profits are privatised and their losses are socialised.
...it still seems strange to me that instead of blaming the government, people are still blaming a party that haven't been in power in almost a decade and a half. Odd.
Sorry joiner I skipped over your post quickly and didn't realise that you had only been unemployed for 3 months. I read 10 months somewhere and assumed you must be on income JSA.
Chin up though, if you don't get a job in 3 months, it gets easier.
Oh and by the way, don't you think it is a flawed benefits system that stops you looking for odd jobs?? this could mean that the benefits system is at fault.
Sorry joiner I skipped over your post quickly and didn't realise that you had only been unemployed for 3 months. I read 10 months somewhere and assumed you must be on income JSA.
Chin up though, if you don't get a job in 3 months, it gets easier.
Oh and by the way, don't you think it is a flawed benefits system that stops you looking for odd jobs?? this could mean that the benefits system is at fault.
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joinerjohn
Apology accepted Skitzee.
There are a lot of vagaries within the benefits system. Specially where asylum seekers are concerned. Did you know, an asylum seeker who applies for the right to stay in the UK, can't work for the first year, but can claim income support?
This in itself is surely flawed. Asylum seekers have not paid anything into the system yet claim all they can from it.
But there again, That's another argument for another thread. (think it's already been under discussion, although that was about immigrants in general)
I agree that the system stops people looking for odd jobs etc but surely doing odd jobs here and there is benefit theft.(only if you don't tell them)
I don't particularly want part time employment nor do I want temporary work. Some jobs on the JC+ website are for a period of 2 -3 weeks. No good to anyone, unless they are self employed.
Had a look this morning. Latest job Joiner, temporary, cscs card a must. (don't take the test till tomorrow, then wait a month on the card coming through).
Still,,, Jeremy Kyle has been entertaining this morning. One woman spending £50 a day on heroin. She must be in her 50's and tells JK, I can come off it anytime I want, and I'm just not ready yet!!!. ~
Sad deluded woman.
There are a lot of vagaries within the benefits system. Specially where asylum seekers are concerned. Did you know, an asylum seeker who applies for the right to stay in the UK, can't work for the first year, but can claim income support?
This in itself is surely flawed. Asylum seekers have not paid anything into the system yet claim all they can from it.
But there again, That's another argument for another thread. (think it's already been under discussion, although that was about immigrants in general)
I agree that the system stops people looking for odd jobs etc but surely doing odd jobs here and there is benefit theft.(only if you don't tell them)
I don't particularly want part time employment nor do I want temporary work. Some jobs on the JC+ website are for a period of 2 -3 weeks. No good to anyone, unless they are self employed.
Had a look this morning. Latest job Joiner, temporary, cscs card a must. (don't take the test till tomorrow, then wait a month on the card coming through).
Still,,, Jeremy Kyle has been entertaining this morning. One woman spending £50 a day on heroin. She must be in her 50's and tells JK, I can come off it anytime I want, and I'm just not ready yet!!!. ~
Sad deluded woman.
...Rich, richer through tax cuts? In other words...by allowing people who earn their money to keep hold of slightly more of it? What a hellish crime!!! No, if they cut the benefits, it could be used to counter act our terrible deficit.
Business rates could also go down to counter act the lost money from the benefit class.
I don't believe in wealth redistribution. It is primarily distributed by the buyer of a product/service to the seller of the product/service. In this case from the people who want work done to the people that do the work....this is a perfectly good system. No need to redistribute.
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The one's I really feel sorry for are the rural unemployed. My mother used to work at a North Yorkshire CAB. She had one chap in, who was obviously struggling on JSA after he lost his Job (agriculture). In particular, he couldn't attend JC interviews as there was no bus service and he had no car, the nearest JC being about 30+ miles away, even biking would be a bit much! That coupled with no local amenities, no broadband access, shops etc meant he was in a very precarious position, even getting his JSA was a struggle, as it's paid direct into your bank account!
Don't know what happened to him but it must have been tough. Even in places where I live, which although rural is not remote, being unemployed is pretty bleak as there is absolutely bog all to do with a 5 mile walk or bike ride to the nearest town. they're are 2 pubs, but on £62.50 per week, that ain't gonna go far. I know some people seem to get huge amount of benefits, but if your a single male in a rural area, life is gonna be tough and desperately boring / depressing.
Don't know what happened to him but it must have been tough. Even in places where I live, which although rural is not remote, being unemployed is pretty bleak as there is absolutely bog all to do with a 5 mile walk or bike ride to the nearest town. they're are 2 pubs, but on £62.50 per week, that ain't gonna go far. I know some people seem to get huge amount of benefits, but if your a single male in a rural area, life is gonna be tough and desperately boring / depressing.
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