To all those that welcome/encourage the small boat migrants.

[Mottie]

Reform party is entirely reliant on the crisis

Well the Tories couldn’t sort the 'crisis' so people turned to Labour. Guess what? They are doing feck all in "Smashing the gangs". Time to let someone else have a go. If their promises don't materialise, they can go too.

 

[motorbiking]

Wrong

Reform have no solutions, all they have is

1) tow migrant boats back to France….which won’t work
2) pushbacks….which aren’t legal
3) deport illegals…..which is a lie as you can’t do that without agreement.

Farage is just a grifter who spouts empty solutions that fall apart under scrutiny


Motorbiking definitely has no solutions, all he has is lies about pushbacks. Poor chap is clueless

NotchyFacts™

 

[denso13]

Well the Tories couldn’t sort the 'crisis' so people turned to Labour. Guess what? They are doing feck all in "Smashing the gangs". Time to let someone else have a go. If their promises don't materialise, they can go too.

It deserves a proper discussion on what the government's options actually are, which will never happen.

 

[motorbiking]

It will be interesting to see how Labour get round the human rights act when forcibly deporting people back to france who have open asylum claims.

 

[mitch66]

They say they'll start at about 50 a week in this "one in, one out" scheme. How does that add up when you get 900 turn up in a week?

 

[pete01]

They say they'll start at about 50 a week in this "one in, one out" scheme. How does that add up when you get 900 turn up in a week?

It's a pilot scheme when they've got the hang of it they'll make it 51 or scrap the scheme altogether

 

[denso13]

They say they'll start at about 50 a week in this "one in, one out" scheme. How does that add up when you get 900 turn up in a week?

As you say, the 50 is a starting point, hopefully it will increase once it is shown to work..

 

[MNW67]

It will be interesting to see how Labour get round the human rights act when forcibly deporting people back to france who have open asylum claims.

What might the issues be. Which articles of the ECHR would be breached if the government did that. As an alternative, could they choose people straight off the boat who haven't made a claim yet.

 

[motorbiking]

What might the issues be.

Anyone with an open claim is exempt, anyone claiming to be under 18 is exempt.

Which articles of the ECHR would be breached if the government did that.

Article 5. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/4
possibly 6 & 7 also.

As an alternative, could they choose people straight off the boat who haven't made a claim yet.

They have the right to claim asylum at any point.

 

[MNW67]

Anyone with an open claim is exempt, anyone claiming to be under 18 is exempt.

Exempt from what?

Article 5. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/4
possibly 6 & 7 also.

Can you please explain how these articles apply to this situation.

They have the right to claim asylum at any point.

How does the EU Turkey deal get around it. Maybe we should just do what they do. It is the same sort of deal.

 

[motorbiking]

Did you read them?

 

[MNW67]

Did you read them?

I have read them before. I cannot see how they are relevant. As the proponent, it is up to you to explain your reasoning, rather than for me to have to try to guess what you mean.

Also, think about how the EU gets around this with their Turkey deal, which is essentially the same thing. That's been going for almost ten years.

 

[motorbiking]

I have read them before. I cannot see how they are relevant. As the proponent, it is up to you to explain your reasoning, rather than for me to have to try to guess what you mean.

Also, think about how the EU gets around this with their Turkey deal, which is essentially the same thing. That's been going for almost ten years.

You don’t seem to be up to speed on the success.

“Seven years since the deal was implemented, no mass returns have been made from Greece to Türkiye. Approximately 32,472 Syrian refugees have been resettled from Türkiye to EU Member States under the agreement.“

A couple of thousand sent back.
Turkey gets a load of funding.
And sends 10x to the EU.

Good job

What is the EU-Turkey deal? | The IRC in the EU

Seven years since the announcement of the 'EU-Turkey deal', it continues to cause immense suffering on the Greek islands. But what is it? And why is it such a problem?

www.rescue.org

You don’t think article 5 is relevant to the detention and deportation of people without trial?

 

[MNW67]

You don’t seem to be up to speed on the success.

“Seven years since the deal was implemented, no mass returns have been made from Greece to Türkiye. Approximately 32,472 Syrian refugees have been resettled from Türkiye to EU Member States under the agreement.“

A couple of thousand sent back.
Turkey gets a load of funding.
And sends 10x to the EU.

Good job

Swerve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You seem unable to concentrate on one issue at a time. I am trying to answer your question about the ECHR.

I might come back to this later.

You don’t think article 5 is relevant to the detention and deportation of people without trial?

No, not in this situation. Explain your theory about why it applies. Then explain how the EU gets around it with their Turkey deal.

Here's a hint from Google to get you started:

Article 5 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) guarantees the right to liberty and security of person, but allows for the detention of individuals, including asylum seekers, under specific circumstances. These circumstances, as outlined in Article 5 § 1(f), include detention to prevent unauthorized entry or to facilitate deportation or extradition. However, such detention must be lawful, carried out in good faith, and not arbitrary, meaning it must be closely connected to the purpose of preventing unauthorized entry or expulsion, the place and conditions of detention must be appropriate, and the length of detention must not exceed what is reasonably required.

 

[motorbiking]

You asked how are they making in it work in the EU/Turkey deal. The answer seems to be they aren’t. I provided you with a link.

The swerve would be to refer to a deal not governed by the HRA.

Your quote without source, is sufficient to determine that it is obviously relevant.

A reminder of what I actually said.

It will be interesting to see how Labour get round the human rights act when forcibly deporting people back to france who have open asylum claims.

The human rights act is clear. I provided you with a link.

I anticipate claims a coming.