UK could have controlled borders but chose not to and then blamed the EU.

[SirGalahad]

Well we can deduce one thing - the government is only going to look after their big rich donors. Maintain immigration and lower corp taxes doesn't help the average worker.

 

[Nozzle]

Lowering corporation tax does help the average worker. It keeps employers in the country rather than going abroad. That means said average worker gets to keep their job, rather than loose it. With the right tax framework, said average worker therefore gets more take home pay than otherwise they would. And when corporations stay in countries rather than leave, they also pay NI.

Amazon, Starbucks, Facebook and the like (all multinationals you should note) need to pay their fair dues - that which matches actual corporation tax rates, that is where the injustice is.

Nozzle

 

[Doggit]

Actually, Kanks slightly right, but it's his typical socialist knee jerk reply.

If corporation tax goes up, companies move abroad, or don't bother to start up, so lowering it creates the best conditions for new companies and jobs, but because we have a far to generous in work benefits system, combined with too many people prepared to work for low wages, it may not help at the lower end of the scale, but as a lot of entrepeneurs start medium sized companies that pay good wages, then it can. Not as straight forward as it seems.

And of course, Labour are just as nice to their donors as the Tories are, because they both want donations; and whilst immigration will be maintained by both parties, Labour wouldn't put any controls on it whatsoever, and that keeps down the low paid wages worse than anything.

Now lets see how many links are shown to disprove that.

 

[securespark]

Yeah, the national addiction to cheap imported labour was too hard to resist - as are all addictions. Why bother to invest in our own nurses, doctors, mathematicians and engineers when they can be educated and trained at cost to another state and then just imported?

Works both ways.

Mathematicians and engineers and doctors and nurses have been trained here then enticed away.

 

[Doggit]

Mathematicians and engineers and doctors and nurses have been trained here then enticed away

Not quite the same thing though.

Both Labour and the Tories have missmanaged and underestimated the amount of doctors and nurses we need, and then gone abroad to fill the shortfall. It is far easier for the government to recruit this way, rather than wait 7 years to train a doctor.

During the dctors strike, many of them said they wouldn't be working in this country, but going straight overbroad to work, and I think there should be a mandatory period of work required to help pay for their training.

 

[Nozzle]

Works both ways.

Mathematicians and engineers and doctors and nurses have been trained here then enticed away.

Exactly - and the more {expensive} homegrown tallent gets pulled away from UK makes the option of imported skill even more of a neccesity.
Nozzle

 

[SirGalahad]

Lowering corporation tax does help the average worker. It keeps employers in the country rather than going abroad. That means said average worker gets to keep their job, rather than loose it. With the right tax framework, said average worker therefore gets more take home pay than otherwise they would. And when corporations stay in countries rather than leave, they also pay NI.

Amazon, Starbucks, Facebook and the like (all multinationals you should note) need to pay their fair dues - that which matches actual corporation tax rates, that is where the injustice is.

Nozzle

Which countries will these companies relocate to? Germany, France etc have higher taxes. They will just up sticks and leave the UK market and not trade in the UK?

Lowering corp tax only puts the burden of taxes back on the average worker. Just have a look at the tax take. Some people really need to learn about economics.

 

[SirGalahad]

Actually, Kanks slightly right, but it's his typical socialist knee jerk reply.

If corporation tax goes up, companies move abroad, or don't bother to start up, so lowering it creates the best conditions for new companies and jobs, but because we have a far to generous in work benefits system, combined with too many people prepared to work for low wages, it may not help at the lower end of the scale, but as a lot of entrepeneurs start medium sized companies that pay good wages, then it can. Not as straight forward as it seems.

And of course, Labour are just as nice to their donors as the Tories are, because they both want donations; and whilst immigration will be maintained by both parties, Labour wouldn't put any controls on it whatsoever, and that keeps down the low paid wages worse than anything.

Now lets see how many links are shown to disprove that.

You really have no idea. German has the mittelstand of medium sized companies and higher corp taxes.

People don't start companies just based on the corp tax rate - the US has a higher corp tax rate than the UK.

Doggit you really are a funny guy, you just make it up as you go along.

 

[Doggit]

Lowering corp tax only puts the burden of taxes back on the average worker.

Typical socialist response. When the Tories lowered the corporation tax rate, they got £5bn more corp tax in, but that could have been from an increase in GDP, but where did that come from? And in reducing the corporation tax, they increased other taxes to help offset any reductions that might have occured. Unfortunately, it's not en exact science, and often a stab in the dark which they can crow about if it works.

Which countries will these companies relocate to

Ireland. 12.5%

Doggit you really are a funny guy, you just make it up as you go along

No, I just look at things differently to you. And please learn to be polite.

People don't start companies just based on the corp tax rate - the US has a higher corp tax rate than the UK

It's a lot easier for a UK company to relocate, especially to Ireland, but America is a much bigger place to just travel across in the first place, so relocation wouldn't even enter their head.

 

[Nozzle]

Which countries will these companies relocate to? Germany, France etc have higher taxes. They will just up sticks and leave the UK market and not trade in the UK?

Lowering corp tax only puts the burden of taxes back on the average worker. Just have a look at the tax take. Some people really need to learn about economics.

They can go anywhere, they already do. Ireland, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, India.... BVI!. Corporation tax is charged on profit only, they set up centres in low-tax countries and account for as much of the profit in thouse countries as possible, with much less accounted for in the higher tax areas for perceived fairness. You're right, some people really do need to learn about economics - John McDonnell, for one.

Also, trading IN the UK and trading from WITHIN the UK are very different things indeed. Mazda trades in the UK, but the profits are not decared here thus not taxed here. The UK wing pays PAYE and NI, but tax on profits goes to Japan. There's no reason why this might change, I'm just providing you an example.

Nozzle

 

[Doggit]

And therein lies the biggest problem at the minute. The likes of Apple, and Amazon are sitting on obscene piles of money due to such practices, yet the governments don't get to gether to tighten the global rules. Tax revenues leeches out of a country, and don't get taxed at their correct rate, and that's where we're losing out. It is the biggest scandal going on at the minute, and we would have a much more secure economy if we could tackle this insidious practice.

The truth of the likes of McDonnell, is that they don't understand economics at all, only how to tax the easy targets, and give out nice easy slogans that the left wing can repeat ad nauseam to make themselves think they understand economics.

 

[Judy in the sky]

The EU rules do allow for control; Britain chose not to employ them.

Can you explain how our Border Force can control the entry of people with valid EU passports into the UK?

 

[Doggit]

I think therein lies the problem; they work on the basis that if there is a valid EU passport, then they get waived through, but not checked to see when they leave, so no one knows if they've overstayed. And the other part of the problem is that other countries don't bother to advise of us of their undesirables, so everyone gets an automatic right of entry. It'd be interesting to know if any are rejected.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Can you explain how our Border Force can control the entry of people with valid EU passports into the UK?

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_2.1.3.html

a.Rights and obligations:

• For stays of under three months: the only requirement for Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country.
• For stays of over three months: EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period.

That Britain does nothing is not the fault of the EU.

 

[Judy in the sky]

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_2.1.3.html

a.Rights and obligations:

• For stays of under three months: the only requirement for Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country.
• For stays of over three months: EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period.

That Britain does nothing is not the fault of the EU.

Still don't see what you're actually getting at. How does our Border Force know if Piotr from Poland is coming for a holiday or deciding to stay. If he does decide to stay, how on earth do they trace him to deport him?
Or are you advocating having a bigger Border Force, so there's enough people to do this tracing and deporting? (and if so, how do you propose financing it? Oh yes, that'll be up to us taxpayers again)