UPVC Door - Hinges

[kevhky]

Hi

Is it possible to change the hinges on my door from butt to flag

When the door is shut (handle lifted up) I have a visible gap running down the handle side of the door

When it's windy you can feel the wind coming through

I've tried adjusting the butt hinges but they won't adjust enough

If I can swap them for flag I'll have more adjustment

Thanks in advance

Kev

 

[crank39]

Yes, so long as you don't mind the existing holes in the door edge

 

[kevhky]

Thanks for that

The existing holes I'll cover with silicone

So is it easy to remove hinges / door just I've not removed one before

Is it basically remove all grab screws

Remove all top of hinge covers

Then door should lift off

Please advise if possible, also which flag hinges do I get, is there different sizes

I'm quite handy at DIY just I've never done a upvc door before

Thanks

Kev

 

[crank39]

http://www.dgsupplyline.co.uk/hinges-stays/door-hinges/

Remove and replace one hinge at a time making sure the door hasn't sagged over to one side, prop it off the wall if needs be, take a look at the hinges in the link and take a note of the sizes they are suitable for, most notably the rebate height i.e the thickness of the door sash and how far away from the frame face the door face is, choose a hinge that includes various sized shims/packers that fit between the hinge and frame

 

[kevhky]

Crank39 cheers for the help

Only thing that concerns me is the measurement of the sash I think I know what you mean

Is it the distance between the door frame and to the face of the door, ie: measured mine and it's approx 19mm

This hinge looks suitable allowing between 15-21

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laird-Principal-Adjustable-3D-Flag-Hinge-Upvc-Doors-/170507134388?var=

 

[crank39]

Yes correct, must start at 15mm and with shims added will go upto 21mm

 

[kevhky]

Brilliant I found this

http://www.upvcplasticsurgery.co.uk/internetsales/how-to-measure-frame-to-sash-height.gif


So you say replace 1 hinge at a time, do you mean leave door attached to frame with butt hinges and replace one hinge at a time, if so I didn't realise the hinges could be removed as all the screws seem out of reach

Advice if possible

Kev

 

[crank39]

The hinges are all marked and drilled with jigs with the door flat on a bench so if you take your door off completely and fit the flags to the door sash you then need to lift the door back into the frame and pack it so its sits square and with equal coverage all round to be able to mark the frame for the other half of the hinge, it would just be a right pain, doors aren't light

 

[kevhky]

Ok so it is possible to remove 1 hinge at a time, like you say it will be a lot easier

Do these butt hinges come off ok, is there an easy way to remove them

Ill attach a picture of mine

https://www.box.com/shared/9fc55df07ce5f2c24592

 

[crank39]

Hmmm, your not able to get to the screws that screw into the door. Feck, it looks like you will have to take the door right off, hope you have plenty of patience, remove tiny grub screw which should become visible when door is open, knock hinge pin out (upwards), door falls off, catch, lay on floor, celebrate with cup of tea

 

[kevhky]

Hahah. Thats what i thought, the screws are hidden impossible to remove

So its gonna be a right Tw.t to do then ???

Is there an easy way once door is off and hinges screwed to it or is it a balancing act, door in one hand drill in other hahahaha

 

[crank39]

With the hinge pin out on say the top one open the door fully and see if it'll bend/curl in a bit so you can take the screws out the edge of the door, once that bits off you can close the door and the other screws will be visible then, do that for the bottom as well, the middle might be a bit trickier

 

[kevhky]

I get your drift good idea

There is 4 hinges already is this needed or can i just go for 3

Also these pins you say knock out upwards, ive looked underneath them and there is a allen key type hole, do i remove that aswell or is it that im knocking up and out (after removing grub scre)

 

[crank39]

4 is better than 3, you will also cover the holes in the frame if you stick with 4.

The grub screw only holds the pin in place otherwise with all the opening and closing they have a tendancy to ride up. The allen key hole will probably be for in and out adjustment, the hinge pin is mounted concentrically so a full 360 degree turn will move the door in and out (to gain more compression on the gaskets), the hinge pin should knock upwards, i'd be very suprised if it comes out the bottom, the hinge could be on upside down though so you never know?

 

[kevhky]

Top of hinge
https://www.box.com/shared/754294afe18cec744b7c

Bottom see allen key
https://www.box.com/shared/054c9dbbfba2fc99e375

Do i need to remove alen key bit or is it that i knock up