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I know, can't help yourself can you? The word has to be spread, wherever, whenever.
Lovely kid, nice teeth, don't look like they evolved for eating just plants.
Once the Vegan collective have assimilated the meat eaters your teeth will enjoy carrot sticks
You stick to chewing the cud, and I'll stay with my well done steak with fried onions and horseradish sauce.
Bet you'd love one of them wouldn't ya?
I'll pass on the carrots.
Bet you'd love one of them wouldn't ya?
I'll pass on the carrots.
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yaleguy3
Ok so the most untouched people of the earth not touched by the reaches of commercialism tribes even now in the amazon only just discovered all eat meat.
meat to humans has always been in the diet.
There is not a single human civilisation or local area custom where evolotionary or otherwise the whole diet has been plant based.
(I will exclude modern idelogical creches from this distinction) I don't want to hear about some Kibbutz with 20 members.
Going to a non meat diet (meat includes obviously chicken, fish etc not just red meat) is not a naturall choice ironically.
I am sure its doable but in reality it is not healthy and all you are doing is living in survival mode. You body is attempting to cope with a non meat diet and as we know this leads to anemia.
I suppose the acid test would be what would happen in a pure plant diet without supplements -Supposing there was a community cut off from the world and only having vegetation to eat. Well we know that there would be anemia and vit b2 defficiency and we know it would cause problems in pregnancy. Would this manifest itself if left unfettered with the extinction of that colony?
Is this why canibalism evolved. Were Island races forced into canibalism due to a lack of available animal meat?
Is being a Vegan in the UK a rather hypocritical act?
The local vegetation would not be enough to sustain. We know that the vegan diet involves food from all around the world. Beans , pulses , rices , supplements etc many if not all of which are not indigenous uk vegitation.
So if all the world became vegan certain areas would have to be overfarmed. Food would have to be transported from all around the world which would not be good for the emvironment.
Methane levels would rise again not good for global warming.
In truth being a vegan is a singularly selfish act not in tune with the planet.
meat to humans has always been in the diet.
There is not a single human civilisation or local area custom where evolotionary or otherwise the whole diet has been plant based.
(I will exclude modern idelogical creches from this distinction) I don't want to hear about some Kibbutz with 20 members.
Going to a non meat diet (meat includes obviously chicken, fish etc not just red meat) is not a naturall choice ironically.
I am sure its doable but in reality it is not healthy and all you are doing is living in survival mode. You body is attempting to cope with a non meat diet and as we know this leads to anemia.
I suppose the acid test would be what would happen in a pure plant diet without supplements -Supposing there was a community cut off from the world and only having vegetation to eat. Well we know that there would be anemia and vit b2 defficiency and we know it would cause problems in pregnancy. Would this manifest itself if left unfettered with the extinction of that colony?
Is this why canibalism evolved. Were Island races forced into canibalism due to a lack of available animal meat?
Is being a Vegan in the UK a rather hypocritical act?
The local vegetation would not be enough to sustain. We know that the vegan diet involves food from all around the world. Beans , pulses , rices , supplements etc many if not all of which are not indigenous uk vegitation.
So if all the world became vegan certain areas would have to be overfarmed. Food would have to be transported from all around the world which would not be good for the emvironment.
Methane levels would rise again not good for global warming.
In truth being a vegan is a singularly selfish act not in tune with the planet.
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peaps
Up until 10,000 years ago we were foragers (hunter gatherer) living in a subsistence mode. Vast majority of their diet was plant based adding what ever animal they could find that had either died of natural causes or from what another animal had killed. They supplemented their diet with very small mammals but if they found larger animals already dead they would eat it.
We are so successful as a race because we are omnivorous, and can rely on a varied diet unlike carnivores we can survive without meat but we can't survive on just meat alone yet we can survive by just eating plant bases foods.
Now we don't need to rely on whatever we can find so we can eat and survive without meat because plant foods are plenty... Just because a species evolved to eat a wide variety of foods, including meat, doesn't mean we are biologically dependant on meat. Omnivores evolved as such to taken full advantage of changing environmental factors. This all said we are more dependant on a plant based diet.
We are still evolving.
Utter rubbish, you have any evidence to support your claim?
"In the March 2012 issue of the Annals of Clinical Biochemistry, researchers confirmed that the traditional test for B12 deficiency is flawed due to the poor sensitivity of the currently used methylmalonic acid assay. Instead, they determined that a new assay which relies upon holotranscobalamin should be adopted in clinical assessments. This conclusion was made after comparing both assays on blood samples from 360 human subjects.
Many vegetarian writers, doctors, and scientists believe that Vitamin B-12 supplements are critical to the health of vegans. I believe this to be pure nonsense. In 1996, Victor Herbert determined that Vitamin B-12 deficiency is rare among vegans, even though most do not take supplemental B-12. His landmark work was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, vol. 59, pp. 1213S-1222S. Herbert wrote:"
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Practical/Health/B-12Deficiency.htm[/QUOTE]
No it wouldn't, the problem we face is that modern agriculture methods over the years has sterilised the soil killing off B12, this is why domestic animals are fed and injected B12.
Get real, cannibalism is a cultural phenomenon, it's not for survival.
Wow you really are ignorant to the facts! The vast majority of crops grown on this planet goes to feed domestic animals grown for food and one of the biggest contributors to methane are these animals.
We have enough food to feed the world with left overs
If you are going to discuss the subject at least understand what you are talking about.
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yaleguy3
So if you continue this ideal.
If the whole world became vegan . .
Animals previously raised for food would be made extinct.
Cows - sheep - pigs would not be tollerated eating foodstocks.
There would be no need for their husbandary and they don't have a natural environment other than the one we created for them to provide our needs.
Farmers would not pay to create creatures with no market to sell to.
If the whole world became vegan . .
Animals previously raised for food would be made extinct.
Cows - sheep - pigs would not be tollerated eating foodstocks.
There would be no need for their husbandary and they don't have a natural environment other than the one we created for them to provide our needs.
Farmers would not pay to create creatures with no market to sell to.
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Reared animals actually have a good but short life.
Protected from predators (Excepting man of course)
Fed properly
Protected from disease.
They might have a short life but it is a quality one (Other than the obvious exceptions of fois gars.veal.battery hens etc etc which incidentaly I do not agree with.)
Should someones child die of cancer or be knocked down at an early age if that life had been full of love and care would you say it hadn't been worth living?
Is the life of reared animals (with the exceptions pointed to above) worth living?
Protected from predators (Excepting man of course)
Fed properly
Protected from disease.
They might have a short life but it is a quality one (Other than the obvious exceptions of fois gars.veal.battery hens etc etc which incidentaly I do not agree with.)
Should someones child die of cancer or be knocked down at an early age if that life had been full of love and care would you say it hadn't been worth living?
Is the life of reared animals (with the exceptions pointed to above) worth living?
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Same could be said for slaves.
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yaleguy3
indeed but slaves had to work for a living. The sheep out where I live have wonderful views all day long and no work to do.
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peaps
Slaves don't get eaten.
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Nature is cruel. Turtles lay thousands of eggs because they know most of them will be on a predators menu or never even make the open sea.As with many other animals who have to play the precentage game for survival of the species.
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And?
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yaleguy3
Well if we use animal husbandry it stops us being predators to wild species and making them extinct.
We must however stop hunting wild animals for commercial reasons such as shark fin soup or rhino horn aphrodisiacs etc etc.
We must however stop hunting wild animals for commercial reasons such as shark fin soup or rhino horn aphrodisiacs etc etc.
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