Dave I firmly believe that the general population of this country must be one of the most easily manipulated in the world. I don't think it's because everybody is stupid, though a great many are, more like that we don't seem to have the collective will to get off our arrises and do something. Our neighbours the froggies could teach us a lot in that regard.
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Dave I firmly believe that the general population of this country must be one of the most easily manipulated in the world. I don't think it's because everybody is stupid, though a great many are, more like that we don't seem to have the collective will to get off our arrises and do something. Our neighbours the froggies could teach us a lot in that regard.
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Totally agree with you there sooey this country needs a revolution. Sort out the ****e and get back to normal everyday living
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Two modern homes installed with UF heating. Both about 4000sq/ft.
One has a state of the art controller and consumes 800 gallon of oil per year. Heating on 24/7. 365 days of the year.
Occupancy -8 People.
Insulation -Slightly above building regulation standards.
Oh and I should add this one is fitted with an albion DHW (coiled version)thermal store.
The other one has a two channel Danfoss timer fitted and consumes 1400 gallon of oil per year. Heated intermittently.
Occupancy -4 people.
Insulation - To current building regulation standards.
Two modern homes installed with UF heating. Both about 4000sq/ft.
One has a state of the art controller and consumes 800 gallon of oil per year. Heating on 24/7. 365 days of the year.
Occupancy -8 People.
Insulation -Slightly above building regulation standards.
Oh and I should add this one is fitted with an albion DHW (coiled version)thermal store.
The other one has a two channel Danfoss timer fitted and consumes 1400 gallon of oil per year. Heated intermittently.
Occupancy -4 people.
Insulation - To current building regulation standards.
Bearing in mind that this government has been elected 3 times, I must deduct that we ARE that stupid.
I have wondered if there is a correlation between the fact that studies indicating that climate changes are predominantly caused by fossil fuel burning are funded by those who collect the “green-taxes”, whilst those studies funded by private sources seem to have found even larger climate changes far before the first form of industrial activity, thousands of years ago.
Democracy: the principal of any idea, no matter how deranged, being transformed into law provided you can fool enough ******* into believing they would benefit from it
I have wondered if there is a correlation between the fact that studies indicating that climate changes are predominantly caused by fossil fuel burning are funded by those who collect the “green-taxes”, whilst those studies funded by private sources seem to have found even larger climate changes far before the first form of industrial activity, thousands of years ago.
Democracy: the principal of any idea, no matter how deranged, being transformed into law provided you can fool enough ******* into believing they would benefit from it
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That's as good a definition as any, or you could say that a democracy is nothing more than a huge popularity contest every few years. Which of course means that unpopular long term decisions never get taken by the self serving dishonourable pr*cks that we have to suffer from nowadays
??it is unilateral. do you think the chinese give a shiyte? or the boys at the top here?
red ken goes on holiday to india and calls it "fact finding mission"
uncle tony clocked up something like 100000 airmiles with family holiday alone last year. not to mention chartering a concorde to see his buddy george
carbon foorprint is nothing more than a scam to hit us with more taxes as far as i can see
Now that you mention it. I suppose it was.
I suppose it was.
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namsag
Bengass .. been in pub most of afternoon meant multilateral...
Balenza . the example you have gave is at least twice the size of a normal sized house and not with a standard CH system also most importantly there is no link to where your figures came from..
houses have to be exactly the same to et a proper figure
Balenza . the example you have gave is at least twice the size of a normal sized house and not with a standard CH system also most importantly there is no link to where your figures came from..
houses have to be exactly the same to et a proper figure
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So we have yet another scientific report properly carried out in identical houses using the heating for exactly the same amount of time and same hot water used with exactly the same boiler.
No we don`t what we have again is hearsay.
And around my way the equivalent of a 45 foot by 45 foot on both levels is a fair sized house
No we don`t what we have again is hearsay.
And around my way the equivalent of a 45 foot by 45 foot on both levels is a fair sized house
Namsag wrote
Even if it was scientific you would still dismiss the findings.
The fact is both properties are in the same area and thus influenced by the much the same outdoor temperatures.
The control system in one was installed by a specialist controls Engineer.
The other one specced by the local UF heating supplier.(With maximum mark up)
Hear say ???.
You wish.
The size of the home makes no difference when like is compared with like.
(Incidentally the one with the higher fuel consumption is slightly smaller)
You wanted figures and I gave them to you and now you cannot accept them.
Why does that not surprise me.?
Do you want the phone numbers of the people involved in order to ask them some questions ?. Perhaps you can offer a solution to the one with the high fuel consumption.
Their both highly qualified Engineers in their respective fields so you had better have your questions ready for them in a clear and concise list so that you don't become confused .
Even if it was scientific you would still dismiss the findings.
The fact is both properties are in the same area and thus influenced by the much the same outdoor temperatures.
The control system in one was installed by a specialist controls Engineer.
The other one specced by the local UF heating supplier.(With maximum mark up)
Hear say ???.
You wish.
The size of the home makes no difference when like is compared with like.
(Incidentally the one with the higher fuel consumption is slightly smaller)
You wanted figures and I gave them to you and now you cannot accept them.
Why does that not surprise me.?
Do you want the phone numbers of the people involved in order to ask them some questions ?. Perhaps you can offer a solution to the one with the high fuel consumption.
Their both highly qualified Engineers in their respective fields so you had better have your questions ready for them in a clear and concise list so that you don't become confused .
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namsag
FACTS and figures i will except no problem...but i have been to far to many call outs around bill times where exact same houses next door to each other and people saying they must either have a leak or a faulty meter because i have spoke to my neighbour and we have the heating on same as them and our bill is far higher.
As for houses being in much the same area the house opposite me is only 40 yards away but my main room/hallway and bedroom are south facing and i get the benefit of sunshine thus heat all day theirs is north facing and they get no benefit at all so have to have there heating on longer.
And it doesn`t matter what your neighbours are it is still hearsay till they have EXACTLY the same systems boilers and usage, which a proper scientific survey would use.
You never know they may even have someone living nearby who doesn`t fully understand how CH should be wired up and he has altered it because he is too lazy to properly repair microswitches in the motorised valves etc
There is a guy up the pub swears his kn#b is that big he carries it about in a wheel barrow do i believe him, no
As for houses being in much the same area the house opposite me is only 40 yards away but my main room/hallway and bedroom are south facing and i get the benefit of sunshine thus heat all day theirs is north facing and they get no benefit at all so have to have there heating on longer.
And it doesn`t matter what your neighbours are it is still hearsay till they have EXACTLY the same systems boilers and usage, which a proper scientific survey would use.
You never know they may even have someone living nearby who doesn`t fully understand how CH should be wired up and he has altered it because he is too lazy to properly repair microswitches in the motorised valves etc
There is a guy up the pub swears his kn#b is that big he carries it about in a wheel barrow do i believe him, no
namsag wrote
FACTS and figures i will except no problem...
I posted the fuel consumptions on both properties which are FACT.
Yes their are many other variables which affect both systems.
One being that one has an elaborate controller sitting in the airing cupboard and the other a simple Danfoss timer.
Can you give a specific example of how much higher ?.
Not many facts and figures here.
Is their fuel bill 70 percent higher that yours. I doubt it.
All the detailed facts I have on the two properties would indicate that the one with the higher fuel consumption should be LOWER.
Its a slightly smaller property with a lower occupancy.
I visited the property with the controls engineer and we reset the timing schedules for the owner in an attempt to run the system more economically.
However it was explained that to make any significant impact on the fuel consumption a more sophisticated control system would have to be installed. He was invited to a number of homes that have the system installed and see first hand what the installation involved and speak to owners who have experience of the system.
Microswitches are troublesome and need altering.
Is his name namsag ?
FACTS and figures i will except no problem...
I posted the fuel consumptions on both properties which are FACT.
Yes their are many other variables which affect both systems.
One being that one has an elaborate controller sitting in the airing cupboard and the other a simple Danfoss timer.
Can you give a specific example of how much higher ?.
Not many facts and figures here.
Is their fuel bill 70 percent higher that yours. I doubt it.
All the detailed facts I have on the two properties would indicate that the one with the higher fuel consumption should be LOWER.
Its a slightly smaller property with a lower occupancy.
I visited the property with the controls engineer and we reset the timing schedules for the owner in an attempt to run the system more economically.
However it was explained that to make any significant impact on the fuel consumption a more sophisticated control system would have to be installed. He was invited to a number of homes that have the system installed and see first hand what the installation involved and speak to owners who have experience of the system.
Microswitches are troublesome and need altering.
Is his name namsag ?
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No i have no need for a wheel barrow i find tucking it in my ankle socks perfectly adequate.
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