You missed the fact that 221s (and I think 222s) are rated at 32A, not 24A like the ideal.
Also the ideal connectors are only good to 2.5mm² vs the 4mm² of the 221s
You missed the fact that 221s (and I think 222s) are rated at 32A, not 24A like the ideal.
Also the ideal connectors are only good to 2.5mm² vs the 4mm² of the 221s
Indeed, and I generally use them for solid conductors.Which other make(s) you mean? Wago also do push-wire connectors 773-, 273-, 2273-, 272-
I think you've missed the context of this discussion. My OP was specifically about 'lever' ones, and cjard's comment to which I responded related to his preference for Ideal lever ones over Wago lever ones (222s/221s) - so those two were the "both" to which I referred.Are those what you're comparing?
Again, you seem to have missed the context. This discussion, and the comments to which you responded, has been about the 'lever' type Wagos (and Ideal equivalents).<a datasheet showing that Ideal do push-in connectors rated up to 32A which will take 4mm conductors (which cjard has already pointed out)>
Well, what happened was this exchange:I think you've missed the context of this discussion. My OP was specifically about 'lever' ones, and cjard's comment to which I responded related to his preference for Ideal lever ones over Wago lever ones (222s/221s) - so those two were the "both" to which I referred.
You missed the fact that 221s (and I think 222s) are rated at 32A, not 24A like the ideal.
Also the ideal connectors are only good to 2.5mm² vs the 4mm² of the 221s
I like the idea of push in for solid connectors, not that I ever find lifting the lever an issue. Wago do make the ones designed for lighting with two push in at one end and a flex connector at the other, forget the model now but they're good too.
Firstly, it would seem I'm not the only one 'missing a context' - it wasn't cjard who posted about Ideal, it was Iggifer.It's obviously a personal thing since, having also used both, I prefer Wagos - and, as Iggifer has said, tehhe 24A rating (rather a bizarre figure to pick!) is a distinct disadvantage.
It was cjard who initially posted about (his preference for) Ideal - Iggifer's post you quote was a response to that.Firstly, it would seem I'm not the only one 'missing a context' - it wasn't cjard who posted about Ideal, it was Iggifer.
Ah, if you weren't familiar with teh Ideal make, then I can understand better how teh confusion arose.Secondly, his use of 'ideal' and not 'Ideal' meant it wasn't obvious that he was talking about a make (and Ideal was not a make I remembered) ...
Don't you look at quotes (which I include for this very reason)? Although my post did, indeed, chronolgically follow Iggifer's (per what you quote above), I included the quote from cjard to make it very clear (although seemingly not to you ) to what I was responding.Thirdly, your "having also used both, I prefer Wagos" immediately followed "I like the idea of push in for solid connectors, not that I ever find lifting the lever an issue. Wago do make the ones designed for lighting with two push in at one end and a flex connector at the other, forget the model now but they're good too" ....
I don't think you'll be disappointed. As a matter of interest, which make and type (lever/push-in) are you thinking of getting? Whilst the push-ins are fine for solid conductors when one has reasonable access, I have to say that I tend to use lever ones when access is less than ideal, since it can sometimes be quite difficult to do the 'pushing in' (and if one resorts to using pliers, one tends to damage the insulation).Anyway - a purchase beckons, I think.
It was cjard who initially posted about (his preference for) Ideal - Iggifer's post you quote was a response to that.
Don't you look at quotes (which I include for this very reason)? Although my post did, indeed, chronolgically follow Iggifer's (per what you quote above), I included the quote from cjard to make it very clear (although seemingly not to you ) to what I was responding.
Wagos, I expect, and a mix of both types. Possibly bespoke, possibly an off-the-shelf assortment.I don't think you'll be disappointed. As a matter of interest, which make and type (lever/push-in) are you thinking of getting? Whilst the push-ins are fine for solid conductors when one has reasonable access, I have to say that I tend to use lever ones when access is less than ideal, since it can sometimes be quite difficult to do the 'pushing in' (and if one resorts to using pliers, one tends to damage the insulation).
I don't know how often I would need something to accommodate >2.5mm², and if I did, would space be major constraint? Also, for how many installation methods is 2.5mm² rated at >24A?Although I started this thread specifically in relation to 'lever' connectors, there's one point about the push-in ones that I don't think anyone has made. If I've got this right, other than the 773-173 (which is only available as 3-way, and is quite large), the Wago push-ins are all 24A (again, that seems like an odd number!) and 2.5mm² max, whereas Ideal seem to do more for 32A/4mm².
That sounds fair enough.Wagos, I expect, and a mix of both types. Possibly bespoke, possibly an off-the-shelf assortment.
Like you, I think it unlikely that I would ever want to use one with cable larger than 2.5mm², so it's not really an issue for me. Hoever, I mentioned it because there appeared to be a discussion developing about the pros and cons of Wago and Ideal in general.I don't know how often I would need something to accommodate >2.5mm², and if I did, would space be major constraint?
Very few methods although that is the case for what is probably the most common method (Method C). In any event, I imagine that, in the context of a ring final circuit (probably the most common use of 2.5mm² cable), some would presumably be concerned that, whatever the CCC of the cable, the circuit was protected by a 30/32A OPD. However, it wouldn't worry me personally in the slightest.Also, for how many installation methods is 2.5mm² rated at >24A?
It shouldn't worry anyone except the hard-of-thinking - in a ring final it would only be required to have a current-carrying capacity of 20A.In any event, I imagine that, in the context of a ring final circuit (probably the most common use of 2.5mm² cable), some would presumably be concerned that, whatever the CCC of the cable, the circuit was protected by a 30/32A OPD. However, it wouldn't worry me personally in the slightest.
E24?However, I'm still rather intrigued by this 24A rating, used by both Wago and Ideal - I wonder where it came from?
Maybe. Fortunately, at least in this respect, and as I implied, I am not hard-of-thinking.It shouldn't worry anyone except the hard-of-thinking - in a ring final it would only be required to have a current-carrying capacity of 20A.
Not impossible, I suppose - who knows?! However, it still does seem a little odd to me.E24?
I'd suggest one of the assortment boxes to start with. IIRC you posted some time back that they cost more than the connectors in them would, but you get a useful selection to start with - and in an organised box.Wagos, I expect, and a mix of both types. Possibly bespoke, possibly an off-the-shelf assortment.
I haven't looked to see what they are putting in the 'assortment boxes' now, but if the lever ones are mainly (or only) 222s, then this could possibly be a downside to the 'assortments'.I'd suggest one of the assortment boxes to start with. IIRC you posted some time back that they cost more than the connectors in them would, but you get a useful selection to start with - and in an organised box.
That could be - I have a recollection of doing that comparison, but OTOH I've bought assortment boxes of Reisser screws which have been so much cheaper than buying boxes individually that I now have more than a lifetime's supply of some sizes. Also I need another compartmented storage box like I need holes in my head.I'd suggest one of the assortment boxes to start with. IIRC you posted some time back that they cost more than the connectors in them would, but you get a useful selection to start with - and in an organised box.
I was thinking more of the smaller kits http://cpc.farnell.com/c/cable-leads-connectors/connectors/connector-kits/prl/results?brand=wagoThis is the selection pack you (read you as I) want!
Only downside is, I’ve only found it listed on euro sites for about €180 but all of my powertool boxes are L-Boxxes
That's what I suspected and, as you say, the very large boxes (which do contain 221s) are probably too big for DIYers. However, that presumably might change ....Answering John, the small boxes CPC sell have the 222 connectors in them.
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