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cantaloup63
Allowing that train to continue on its way with a young hooligan who has no intention of cooperating would have been an unacceptable risk
What about his human rights ?
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Your right, the "big man" and the conductor should have been ejected.
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cantaloup63
Everyone else should have been made to leave and the train allowed to continue with the young gentleman alone, free from any harrassment from anybody else.
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Now your getting silly 
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cantaloup63
Not at all - he has demonstrated a lack of willingness to comply with "normal" passenger behaviour, and therefore posed a plausable demonstrable risk.
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ryme64
How can you call him a hooligan. Reading more into it again. No wonder the education system is in a mess.
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cantaloup63
Get lost geraint 
Lets face it, there are two differing mentalities here, those that act and those like the firemen in Scotland recently who dont act, all these what ifs!!
What if your mother/sister/wife or even "ur tart" was being raped would you just stand by and let it happen??
We are all part of the human race and we do not need laws to say when something is wrong, we should act!
What if your mother/sister/wife or even "ur tart" was being raped would you just stand by and let it happen??
We are all part of the human race and we do not need laws to say when something is wrong, we should act!
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Whether a kid has the right ticket or not is fook all to do with that thug. He'll be arrested and charged.
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The conductor was wrong in the way he did his job.
The thug was wrong for the assault.
The idiot should have had a valid ticket.
The correct sequence of events was to allow travel with a fine being issued and if not accepted arrest at the terminating station.
The thug was wrong for the assault.
The idiot should have had a valid ticket.
The correct sequence of events was to allow travel with a fine being issued and if not accepted arrest at the terminating station.
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cantaloup63";p="2219563 said:Get lost geraint
Oh my. Have you ever been able to debate, or do you give your class a detention when you have made yourself look a complete pratt in front of them.
the trouble we have here is we don't have the full story so we cannot form a correct opinion
but what we can say is from what we see and hear the man although not compliant wasn't a threat so physical action was wholly inappropriate and if not assault was 99% there
a trick i used to use when i was a driver on trains without guards was iff there where yobbos causing disruption was to use the pa and make it sound like mistake for them to here i would make it sound like i was having a conversation like
"hello control have sorted out the police" small pause " fantastic they are already at crystal palace "[ the station after next ] another pause"i will lock the doors at crystal palace on arrival
next stop gypsy hill several yobbos do a runner problem solved
but what we can say is from what we see and hear the man although not compliant wasn't a threat so physical action was wholly inappropriate and if not assault was 99% there
a trick i used to use when i was a driver on trains without guards was iff there where yobbos causing disruption was to use the pa and make it sound like mistake for them to here i would make it sound like i was having a conversation like
"hello control have sorted out the police" small pause " fantastic they are already at crystal palace "[ the station after next ] another pause"i will lock the doors at crystal palace on arrival
next stop gypsy hill several yobbos do a runner problem solved
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That conductor has got to go. The kid claimed that he'd handed the wrong part of his return ticket to the conductor on the outward journey, and was now in possession of the wrong half. I've almost done the same thing myself.
So the conductor should have said to the young passenger "Show me your ticket. If it has a punch mark through it then you handed it to the outgoing conductor so your story is false - it's the same ticket that he punched. If the ticket you hold has no punch mark - then you are probably telling the truth and need to be more careful in the future". But did he say that? Nope. He said he was happy to sit there all night as he was getting paid for it, but the passengers might get upset with him (the young passenger).
He actually incited the action that the thug took. The company owed the young passenger a duty of care but he certainly never got any care. he was beaten up by a thug coerced by the conductor. The conductor MUST be sacked and the thug charged with GBH.
Simples.
So the conductor should have said to the young passenger "Show me your ticket. If it has a punch mark through it then you handed it to the outgoing conductor so your story is false - it's the same ticket that he punched. If the ticket you hold has no punch mark - then you are probably telling the truth and need to be more careful in the future". But did he say that? Nope. He said he was happy to sit there all night as he was getting paid for it, but the passengers might get upset with him (the young passenger).
He actually incited the action that the thug took. The company owed the young passenger a duty of care but he certainly never got any care. he was beaten up by a thug coerced by the conductor. The conductor MUST be sacked and the thug charged with GBH.
Simples.
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Geraint, at least try to keep on topic. It's this kind of irrelevant goading post that got you booted off last time you dunceOh my. Have you ever been able to debate, or do you give your class a detention when you have made yourself look a complete pratt in front of them.
