WHO’ s allowed in!

[Brigadier]

China has caused speculation by there actions & lack of communication.
All they do is deny any responsibility.

You think the UK's PM, and the US's POTUS is a model of respectability and openness?
"let him who is without sin cast the first stone", and all that.

And Bozza and the orange bell end are rightly pilloried.

So too should be the Chinese authorities.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

And Bozza and the orange bell end are rightly pilloried.

So too should be the Chinese authorities.

I would agree, if we can find specific instance to pillory them. As we can easily with BJ and DT.
Rather than rely on general speculation, especially that speculation fueled by the BJs and the DTs (not forgetting transam, bless him) of the western world.

 

[Vinty]

This would require tracking the re-exposure of a significant number of people and determining if they get sick,” she said

There have been lots of studies that show people who have recovered from covid have immunity.
The latest study numbered 20,000 health workers.

 

[ajohn]

Really the best option on a lot of this is a sense of humour - accept that all along the people of the world have been lab rats to some extent and that is likely to continue. Outcome somewhat TBD.

It helps to try and get accurate information and question all that can be found. Currently there is a fair amount of silence about what the outcome of the current vaccination program will be as far as the general population is concerned. Or for that matter the people who are vaccinated. Even the effectiveness of each type of vaccine. I assume supplies of each one will continue. 13 million people is a lot larger than any trial. Then they start on the rest.

One good thing is that vaccines are generally safer than drugs that are developed but there is risk associated with all treatments. Many drugs have side effects and all vaccinations may cause problems for some people but it would appear to be rather rare. Live vaccines have been used before as have the newer artificial ones that can't survive on their own. The flu jab is a weakened virus. The oxford one is a modified type that doesn't infect humans to any noticeable extent. They all need to get the immune system active so there may be side effects that people notice just as some do in the case of the flu jab. Aching arms are common with all jabs. Something I don't get. Some do.

 

[Dangee]

How do you get accurate information if they won’t provide accurate information or allow anyone to obtain it. Allowing the WHO in now is like allowing police forensics to inspect a murder scene months after it happened & guiding them to the wrong place. Impossible.

 

[ajohn]

There have been lots of studies that show people who have recovered from covid have immunity.
The latest study numbered 20,000 health workers.

This is where there is a need to be careful with what you hear. The actual results based on reinfection are

Between 18 June and 24 November, scientists detected 44 potential reinfections (2 ‘probable’ and 42 ‘possible’ reinfections) out of 6,614 participants who had tested positive for antibodies. This represents an 83% rate of protection from reinfection.

20,000 people were used

Between 18 June and 9 November 2020, 20 787 staff (84% female, 88% white, median age 45.9) were included in this analysis, of whom 6614 (32%) were assigned to the positive cohort and 14 173 (68%) to the negative cohort.

By 24 November 2020, 409 new infections were detected in the negative cohort, of whom 249 (79%) were symptomatic at infection. Meanwhile, 40 (12%) were asymptomatic and 28 (9%) did not complete a questionnaire at the time of their symptoms.

The researchers detected 44 potential reinfections in the positive cohort, 15 (34%) of which were symptomatic. Some 42 were defined as possible (two positive PCR samples 90 or more days apart, or a new PCR positive at least four weeks after an antibody positive result), and two were defined as probable (additionally required quantitative serological data or supportive viral genomic data). This compares with 318 new PCR positive infections (249 symptomatic) and 94 antibody seroconversions in the negative cohort.

The research team warned, however, that early evidence from the next stage of the study suggested that some people who are themselves protected by antibodies still carry high levels of virus and could continue to infect others.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n124
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...but-people-may-still-carry-and-transmit-virus

 

[Dangee]

What would people do without search engines!!

 

[Dangee]

Bobby John G would have a breakdown.

 

[JohnD]

This is where there is a need to be careful with what you hear.

bearing in mind that after having vaccinated a couple of million people, if the number of coffins decreases in number in a couple of weeks' time, it will be quite noticeable.

personal information removed

 

[transam]

I see transam is back with his usual modus operandi, stirring up hatred and division.
It's his motivation in posting on social media.
His comments make Trump's comments pale into insignificance.

Himagin

 

[Vinty]

44 potential reinfections (2 ‘probable’ and 42 ‘possible’ reinfections) out of 6,614 participants who had tested positive for antibodies.

The probable and possible reinfections could be due to false positives.

 

[Brigadier]

The probable and possible reinfections could be due to false positives.

Or identifying residuals of the original infection.

 

[ajohn]

The probable and possible reinfections could be due to false positives.

They "thought" that when it was reported by other countries who's tracking is more effective. Now the seem to feel that reinfection is definitely possible but aren't at all sure what that means in total so will be looking at the area again.

Some one on here saw these reports and thought it made a vaccine impossible. It's a good job it offers a good chance of a better situation than if it did nothing at all but fact they have never stopped people from becoming infected. Only the outcome.

Immunisation is an odd word really. What it really means is that when something is caught the immune system will cope with it. If something isn't caught it does nothing.

Some lasts. Some don't. The common cold is one type of corona virus that we are only immune to for some period after we have had one. Or so they think. There is a study on that somewhere on the web. It reads like it's hard to settle conclusively. They could infect people with that one on purpose.