Why Britain Brexited

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...rexit-boris-johnson-influence-control/605734/

Excellent article.

For decades, the country has struggled with the challenge facing the modern nation-state: how to balance control and influence.

As Britain held its first referendum on European membership, in 1975, one Margaret Thatcher, then leader of the Conservative opposition, set out the counterargument. "If Britain were to withdraw,” Thatcher told voters, “we might imagine that we could regain complete national sovereignty. But it would, in fact, be an illusion. Our lives would be increasingly influenced by the EEC, yet we would have no say in decisions which would vitally affect us.” Attlee had raised the question of control, Thatcher had countered with influence.

 

[motorbiking]

Quite a bit changed in terms of scope, legal structure and strategy since the EEC. I would suggest that those who were only just persuaded to vote leave where fuelled, not by little Britain mentality, but by the changes that largely came in to force under the Maastricht Treaty. Top that off with the monetary crisis that existing between 2007-2015 and you could see that the EU was becoming a two tier club. "Associate" members taking a back seat if not part of the EURO. At the same time the EU was planning ever wider expansion without any consideration to how these new members would bring value to the man on the street.

 

[Notch7]

Quite a bit changed in terms of scope, legal structure and strategy since the EEC. I would suggest that those who were only just persuaded to vote leave where fuelled, not by little Britain mentality, but by the changes that largely came in to force under the Maastricht Treaty. Top that off with the monetary crisis that existing between 2007-2015 and you could see that the EU was becoming a two tier club. "Associate" members taking a back seat if not part of the EURO. At the same time the EU was planning ever wider expansion without any consideration to how these new members would bring value to the man on the street.

The average man on the street wouldnt have a scooby about Maastricht.

Take back control
Bendy bananas
Fish
Blue passports

 

[Brigadier]

Instead of blaming Leave voters, turn your ire on Remain.

Remain held most of the cards:
- the Leave "lies" that you reckon are so easily debunked - why didn't /couldn't they?;
- maintain the status quo ; "possession is nine tenths of the law, and all that ;

and they still fooked it up.

 

[Notch7]

Instead of blaming Leave voters, turn your ire on Remain.

Remain held most of the cards:
- the Leave "lies" that you reckon are so easily debunked - why didn't /couldn't they?;
- maintain the status quo ; "possession is nine tenths of the law, and all that ;

and they still fooked it up.

Simple

European membership is a complex issue.
Complex issues dont make good political slogans
So the 3 word slogans won.

Ask a brexiteer about the benefits of the single market.........95% wont have a clue
I mean do you know the difference between the single market and customs union?

 

[Brigadier]

Simple

Not simple enough, evidently.

 

[bernardgreen]

Ask a brexiteer about the benefits of the single market.........95% wont have a clue

Single European Market....... good thing for UK

Single European Government..........bad thing for the UK and several other member states

 

[darrington]

Single European Government..........

eu 4th Reich dictatorship!!

 

[SirGalahad]

Instead of blaming Leave voters, turn your ire on Remain.

Remain held most of the cards:
- the Leave "lies" that you reckon are so easily debunked - why didn't /couldn't they?;
- maintain the status quo ; "possession is nine tenths of the law, and all that ;

and they still fooked it up.

Fair points but Remain had to battle against decades of anti EU bile from the DM, Sun etc. The Sun has never backed the loser in an election...

Prior to 2015 was the EU on everyones minds or the fallout from the financial crisis and austerity cuts?

The final check on democratic vote in a representative system was Parliament but it turned populist. I wouldn't ask the average Joe what cladding to use but somehow they can answer a question far more complex?

 

[Ryler]

Fair points but Remain had to battle against decades of anti EU bile from the DM, Sun etc

That's too bad.
Must have been an incredible battle.
You could conclude that a couple of tabloids defeated you if it makes you feel better.

 

[SirGalahad]

That's too bad.
Must have been an incredible battle.
You could conclude that a couple of tabloids defeated you if it makes you feel better.

Flipside it means you believe the lies. Your brains are infested with crap.

 

[Ryler]

Flipside it means you believe the lies

All sides tell lies.
get over it. You lost.

 

[SirGalahad]

Top that off with the monetary crisis that existing between 2007-2015

You mean the soverign debt crisis. I believe the eventual bailout was $1 USD at its peak, the US itself bailed their banks to the tune of $7-14 Trillion and the UK bailout about $850 USd billions at the peak.

Yeah thats a red herring if there ever was one.

 

[SirGalahad]

All sides tell lies.
get over it. You lost.

There is no equivalence. If thats how you get your comfort from being lied to then you live a sad existence.

You won sanctions on all of us. Wooden Spoon prize.

 

[Brigadier]

Fair points but Remain had to battle against decades of anti EU bile from the DM, Sun etc.

Never took any notice of them, even less took anything written in either as gospel. Surely I can't be in such a small minority of the UK population?