Yes, but he was more concerned about getting a shock than the non-compliance.
Whether he is justified in that belief is another matter.
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Whether he is justified in that belief is another matter.
I can't be bovverred wiv this
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Most cables in walls are required to be in safe zones.
No I'm not either, I have encountered 4 failed Wago joints and in reality I'm not sure if I've found that many failed screw terminals where the work was done well.
Yes I would wonder about that, likely track back thru moisture damp walls, wet tiles from a virtually non IP rated enclosure hiding under the plaster as opposed to if any a piece of undamaged insulated and sheathed cable would put me into a bit of a cringe, if it was in a safe zone as a pure cable or even perhaps a damage joint sufficiently repaired by solder/crimps then sufficient self amalgamating tape or heat shrink sufficient to protect from moisture then maybe less cringing - possibly, but I would still cringe at least a bit if not totally convinced it was to a "submarine" standard.
If it were on a dry-ish wall not expected to get damp to any large degree, I might even relax (a bit)
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True, but then we're back to the fact that securespark totally ignored the zone issue and talked only about the shower wall one, leading to the inescapable conclusion that in this case there was no zone issue, and therefore no justification for assuming that a marker was needed.
Which thread are you reading?
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However regardless of the zone issue, an inappropriate junction box in the wall behind tiles in a shower is in my opinion a bigger safety issue than buried in a bedroom wall and I'd suggest it to be a C1.
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Yeah. Basically, I worked out that before the ensuite was built, the room was all bedroom and there was a socket there. Then they put the ensuite in and just put a junction box in and tiled it over.
Knowing typical kitchen/bathroom fitters I have a pretty good impression of what you found.
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Personally I would never be a fan of a junction box (I mean a bog standard junction box) in a wall as such.
Whether or not it complies is another issue. A MF Junction box could be made not comply a bog standard one less so.
If I am aware of any junction box then if I consider it suitably accessible I have no problem with that , providing there is a reasonable chance I would be aware of it.
How accessible it needs to be to be considered accessible then opinions vary and that is way I stated "reasonably accessible" considering what I believe to be the intention of regs writers and the opinions of learned bodies.
If it is underfloor etc then it starts to become inaccessible or less accessible to be considered.
If most people are unaware of its existence then, to my mind, it fits a similar consideration.
If it is reasonably accessible providing that you know its there but if you are less likely to know it is there I would tend to give it very similar considerations as a part of good practice.
Perhaps the most important reg in the whole book is one that has remained pretty much the same for years. A simple concept that good workmanship and proper materials should be used throughout.
Whilst any JB buried in any wall may start to give rise to concerns, one that is buried in a wall where the likelihood of damp or wet conditions is more prevalent heightens these concerns or tends to.
If some socket/switch etc becomes, effectively, a junction box (example - a spur on a ring, or a ceiling rose) we are more likely to know where it is and it is more likely we can examine it from time to time anyway.
Probably each one of us has an opinion that we ourselves are a "reasonable person with reasonable thoughts" and what we consider easy is easy and what we consider difficult is difficult but there is no dividing line between the two, there is a least 50 shades of grey between them.
Whether or not it complies is another issue. A MF Junction box could be made not comply a bog standard one less so.
If I am aware of any junction box then if I consider it suitably accessible I have no problem with that , providing there is a reasonable chance I would be aware of it.
How accessible it needs to be to be considered accessible then opinions vary and that is way I stated "reasonably accessible" considering what I believe to be the intention of regs writers and the opinions of learned bodies.
If it is underfloor etc then it starts to become inaccessible or less accessible to be considered.
If most people are unaware of its existence then, to my mind, it fits a similar consideration.
If it is reasonably accessible providing that you know its there but if you are less likely to know it is there I would tend to give it very similar considerations as a part of good practice.
Perhaps the most important reg in the whole book is one that has remained pretty much the same for years. A simple concept that good workmanship and proper materials should be used throughout.
Whilst any JB buried in any wall may start to give rise to concerns, one that is buried in a wall where the likelihood of damp or wet conditions is more prevalent heightens these concerns or tends to.
If some socket/switch etc becomes, effectively, a junction box (example - a spur on a ring, or a ceiling rose) we are more likely to know where it is and it is more likely we can examine it from time to time anyway.
Probably each one of us has an opinion that we ourselves are a "reasonable person with reasonable thoughts" and what we consider easy is easy and what we consider difficult is difficult but there is no dividing line between the two, there is a least 50 shades of grey between them.
Yep and why: Secure was concerned with it by the shower, I would consider it a C1 and Morph thinks it's perfectly OK to chuck anything in anywhere.
Personally I would not go a C1 but I might be persuaded to consider whether or not a C2 my friend
Likewise, I don't entirely trust them, near the current limit, versus screw terminals.
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